Possible Discovery: Two types of AS

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17 Jan 2014, 7:31 pm

I don't like these reductionist viewpoints. It's a spectrum, with no defined discrete categories.

You did not specify what STM and LTM mean.

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These lists seem more telling of gender stereotypes than anything.

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17 Jan 2014, 8:45 pm

According to your descriptions I fall into the type two category. But sometimes, like in the type one, I do use some stims for calming. But I use them a lot when I am thinking or studying or creating.

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17 Jan 2014, 8:51 pm

Acedia wrote:

This is complete nonsense. The second type is just an NT who is a bit quirky. The second type sounds like your average performing arts student.

The first type is a stereotype, although at least it could be a description of someone on the autistic spectrum.

Autism is a communication/social/sensory condition, right? Or is it just a condition for any left-leaning, quirky hipster?

I disagree. If I was an NT I would not have the sensory issues that I have, I would not have the meltdowns and shutdowns, I would not have trouble with many of the social cues that I miss, I would perceive and understand things differently and not have the communication breakdowns that I have. I would not have obsessive special interests. There are many things that are not on the list which are Aspie traits. Just because you have these things that are on the type two list does not mean that you are not on the Spectrum. I don't believe these lists were meant to be exclusive (or maybe the word I mean here is exhaustive?). And according to the DSM criteria I am on the Spectrum. So I think you should be not be so quick to say that if you have the characteristics from this list you are not on the Spectrum but just a quirky NT. I spent my most of my entire life being treated as just a quirky NT and I paid a very big price for it as have many others here.

And as someone else mentioned from what I have read about female Aspies, the type two list seems to fit with a lot of what I have found out about female Aspies so there is something to be said about gender Aspie stereotypes.

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17 Jan 2014, 9:19 pm

I'm a male with a measured IQ of 140. I flew under the radar for years because I am more at the Type 2 end of the spectrum.

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18 Jan 2014, 12:37 am

This is an interesting theory. I will not believe it until I see more systematic observations that confirm the two types. Logic (meaning it sounds plausible) is not the same thing as sound science.

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18 Jan 2014, 1:25 am

TallyMan wrote:

I'm predominantly type 1 with a smattering of type 2.

This exactly.

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18 Jan 2014, 1:49 am

I seem to fit type 2 with a light sprinkling of type 1, although I'm not really certain this is going anywhere useful. Most of the world is run by NTs that don't give a crap about us aside from scientific observation/exploration.

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18 Jan 2014, 6:25 am

Adamantium wrote:

bumble wrote:

Low to average IQ for type 2, only a perceived genius compared to an actual genius for type 1 and mostly female?

Anyone else notice that?

Or is it just me?

I am in the category that is not in the 'mostly' part.

Had an IQ of 140 + in my teens (no idea what it is now, not measured it properly in years), good at science and math but also studied the humanities, literature, drama, media studies and so on. I am female.

Definitely not just you!

I also noticed the low to average IQ/mostly female part. Highly suspect.

The sexual orientation categories are highly unusual, too. I wonder if this is an attempt to extrapolate very broadly from a really small sample?

I am male. I love science and math, but also literature, drama and art.... I am a graphic designer.

I have a moderately high IQ and excellent LTM and STM.

I did not feel that either category really fits me but many parts of both do, somewhat.

My understanding is that there is a great deal of variation among aspies and such a binary categorization system is almost certain to fail when tested against this very heterogenous group.

I have noticed no gender difference in in the intelligence of the posters here, although some of the females downplay their intelligence.

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18 Jan 2014, 6:47 am

How has this thread gone on so long with such little intellectual rigour. The Op hasnt qualified these categories with any evidence. You cant subdivide a spectrum in 2. These personality types certainly exist on the spectrum, but they are just 2 of an infinite variety. This is why you have many people claiming to be "In the middle"

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18 Jan 2014, 7:16 am

JSBACHlover wrote:

To O.P.:
There are NOT two types of Asperger's or autism! Stop it! This is not like ordering from a Chinese restaurant: "2 from column A, 3 from column B, and extra spicy." What is it about the word "spectrum" don't you understand?

Agreed.

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18 Jan 2014, 7:44 am

binaryodes wrote:

I think there are 10 kinds of aspie.

The ones who speak binary and the ones who don't.

Another really useful categorization scheme is the chocolate index:

Dark chocolate lovers:
Normal to High IQ
Enjoy complexity in sensory input.
Enjoy elaborate geometrical patterns in art
Prefer music with complex patterns, fugues, leitmotifs, can listen to Glass for hours and hours.
Drawn to sensory extremes in sexual activity
Cat people

Milk chocolate lovers
Any IQ
Prefer simple sensory inputs
Drawn to bright colors and well delineated forms in art
Prefer music defined by strong melodic lines and simple beats. Has no time for Glass.
Sexual preference: 'plain vanilla'
Dog people

This binary categorization system based on: my imagination and perverse sense of humor activated by this thread.

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18 Jan 2014, 2:28 pm

Very much Type I here, but I don't think these generalizations hold water.

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18 Jan 2014, 2:51 pm

Adamantium wrote:

binaryodes wrote:

This ^^^ for the DSM-6.

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18 Jan 2014, 6:07 pm

TallyMan wrote:

I'm predominantly type 1 with a smattering of type 2.

So then, you lean towards what I suspected from the start of the thread, that there are NOT two types, but a vast mixture of the elements described, each person an individual!

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18 Jan 2014, 6:11 pm

Sethno wrote:

TallyMan wrote:

I'm predominantly type 1 with a smattering of type 2.

So then, you lean towards what I suspected from the start of the thread, that there are NOT two types, but a vast mixture of the elements described, each person an individual!

A binary classification system is not invalidated by the mere existence of individuals who do not fit neatly into it. For example, the existence of intersexed people does not invalidate the binary sex system.

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18 Jan 2014, 6:14 pm

starkid wrote:

Sethno wrote:

TallyMan wrote:

I'm predominantly type 1 with a smattering of type 2.

So then, you lean towards what I suspected from the start of the thread, that there are NOT two types, but a vast mixture of the elements described, each person an individual!

I still suspect that a theory based on reading things said by people here on the forums, rather than a close up study of flesh and blood people, is shakey at best.

It's still more likely that there are far more than two types, and that everyone's an individual.

This ain't the two genders we're talking about. There's a lot of evidence to support that, not this.

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