anyone here change thier diagnoses from Aspergers to SCD

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04 Feb 2014, 5:43 pm

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04 Feb 2014, 6:21 pm

adriantesq wrote:
...at school the teachers and pupils tried to kill me because they thought I was a witch as I used to melt down into near death comas when I was frightened of them - and come back to life when they left me for dead...


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04 Feb 2014, 6:37 pm

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Does anyone here have the feeling the experts are taking people that fit the long standing autism standard, people who are on the spectrum but due to the nature of the spectrum and autism are more borderline/high functioning cases, and just making up new catgories to describe them, taking them off the official definition of who's on the spectrum?

Yes, that seems to be the intent.



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04 Feb 2014, 7:01 pm

Sethno wrote:
Does anyone here have the feeling the experts are taking people that fit the long standing autism standard, people who are on the spectrum but due to the nature of the spectrum and autism are more borderline/high functioning cases, and just making up new catgories to describe them, taking them off the official definition of who's on the spectrum?


It is a challenge to our sameness issues?
A psych friend and I were discussing these changes the other day.
I wouldn't put it past the DSM writers to change a diagnostic criteria which may cause an emotional response in those with Sameness Issues and viola! Easy diagnosis!
(Evil giggles)
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04 Feb 2014, 7:22 pm

ZombieBrideXD wrote:
as most of us know the New DSM has changed the autism criteria so know if you dont have repetitive behaviours or sensory issues , you are not on the spectrum and you will be classified to have SCD (Social Communication Disorder)


That is not true according to what I've read. Sensory issues are only one of the four symptom groups listed in part B of the diagnostic criteria, and only two of those four (any two) is required for diagnosis.



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04 Feb 2014, 7:26 pm

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I don't think stimming impairs functioning.


This study is interesting in that respect:

http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/869/art%253A10.1007%252FBF01531586.pdf?auth66=1391725000_6e88e597d4bf0ca5b481c1c1ea4a8e95&ext=.pdf

They studied compared six low-functioning autistic kids, three who had no speech at all (mute) and three who were echolalic. (The echolalic kids also had better overall functioning than the mute kids.) All six kids engaged in a lot of stimming.

They tried to teach each child a simple task, to hand the experimenter a particular shape and not the other one (eg hand him the square, not the circle). The same shape was rewarded each time. The researchers first tried to teach the kids the task without making any effort to stop them stimming. If they didn't learn it, then they tried again, this time stopping the kid whenever they caught the kid stimming.

Among the echolalic kids, all of them learned the task without the experimenter suppressing stimming. Two kids reduced stimming of their own accord, and the third refrained from stimming only when the experimenter was giving a command.

Among the mute kids, however, none of them learned the task in the first phase. However, when the experimenter stopped them from stimming, they all learned the task. This suggests they may learn more poorly when they're stimming at the same time.

Of course, we don't know this for sure. Since the 'stimming suppressed' condition took place after the 'no suppression' condition, it could just be that the mute kids took longer to learn the task and the stimming manipulation made no difference. However, they didn't show any improvement in scores over time in the 'no suppression' condition, so it seems likely that they did need stimming to be suppressed to learn the task.

This suggests that stimming impairs functioning for some kids, but not others.

I know some forms of stimming can be harmful, but I think there is a tendency to pathologize
anything that is not considered normal, and claiming it will interfere with learning without taking into consideration the possibility that there may be profound reasons for the behavior and trying to understand it more before using cruel techniques to stop it.
This is an interesting story:
http://juststimming.wordpress.com/2011/ ... iet-hands/



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04 Feb 2014, 11:29 pm

Here's a new SFARI article about ASD vs. SCD:
http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/news/2014/new-diagnostic-category-will-hold-subset-of-autism-cases

Result: 8% of ASD change ASD diagnosis to SCD under DSM-5, and >75% of those losing ASD diagnosis were PDD-NOS.


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05 Feb 2014, 3:54 pm

ZombieBrideXD wrote:
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I've wondered about the sensory issues myself, but my therapist has noted my getting exhausted by going out to run errands or dealing with situations where there are lots of people. Apparently he thinks the fatigue is being caused by my mind being assaulted by sensory input.

As for repetitive stuff, umm...

Does listening to the same song, or alternate performances of it, again and again sometimes for an hour or more...would that count?

(I did some checking and it seems the new catagory also depends on the absence of "restricted interests".)


i guess, it would, but many NTs do it as well,



I just remembered- I rock forward and back a lot of the time when listening to those songs again and again. Is that stimming?


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05 Feb 2014, 3:58 pm

starkid wrote:
ZombieBrideXD wrote:
as most of us know the New DSM has changed the autism criteria so know if you dont have repetitive behaviours or sensory issues , you are not on the spectrum and you will be classified to have SCD (Social Communication Disorder)


That is not true according to what I've read. Sensory issues are only one of the four symptom groups listed in part B of the diagnostic criteria, and only two of those four (any two) is required for diagnosis.


You missed something. ZB mentioned "two", and right in what you quoted spoke of repetitive behaviours as well.


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05 Feb 2014, 5:06 pm

Sethno wrote:
You missed something. ZB mentioned "two", and right in what you quoted spoke of repetitive behaviours as well.


I read this comment a million times before I figured out what you meant. I didn't miss it, I just assumed that "repetitive behaviors" referred to stimming only(category 1), but now I see that it could also refer to routines (category 2).



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05 Feb 2014, 5:49 pm

Sethno wrote:

I just remembered- I rock forward and back a lot of the time when listening to those songs again and again. Is that stimming?


Maybe. Lots of people sway back and forth in time to music they enjoy, but forward and back seems a bit unusual.


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