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03 Mar 2014, 5:49 am

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Maybe ToM is just a form of surfdom, that puts us at the lowest part of the totem pole. According to the ToM people who are obviously NT's, believe that lying is a good thing, because that means you dont believe people think just like you. So liers (NT's), tell you that lying is good. I have learned that people do believe they think just like them. To the point that they are wrong alot. They believe that everyone lies. Just like them. They believe in the same religions, lie about it, and are brainwashed into thinking just like everyone else. Stuff like that. Just using religion as an example. Of all this theory of mind garble that I have read, there is absolutley nothing in there about INDIVIDUALITY. Creativity (other than fictitious lies), or any actual non fiction (real) inventive behavior. In fact alot of the time in history NT's have discredited, or tried to discredit new inventive global changing works.

When people come across to me with this theory of mind garble, it always sets me off. It is one of those things where I know something is wrong, and I cannot put my finger on it. In this case, I do not believe it is me.

I tried to put this hogwash behind me, but I woke up to another stupid theory of mind thought, and now im here again. :cry:


Yeah, it's funny how lying suddenly becomes a "good" thing when it comes to talk about autism and ToM... :roll:

Maybe they just mean that it shows that people's ToM works, not that it is morally good as such.



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03 Mar 2014, 10:24 am

It is part of a learning process that everyone goes through. Some are slower than others, that is all. This is no amazing breakthrough. It is just a silly game of "do you see what I see". In fact it sounds to me like after people learn about ToM, there is another scenario that NT's go through, that most autistics do not. I am going to call it "do you believe my lies, and things that are not real". It plainly reads out like NT's are way more gullible about fictional things than an autistic. They know others do not think like them, yet they do. Yellow is still yellow. However, manipulating people, lying, and deception is something I really care not to do. NT's emplore it. Especially a sociopath. And reading peoples minds is another farce. Whatever it is they are doing with interpretation is not reading minds. It is another lie. They believe that it is what they are doing, and they are not.



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03 Mar 2014, 10:38 am

yournamehere wrote:
It is part of a learning process that everyone goes through. Some are slower than others, that is all. This is no amazing breakthrough. It is just a silly game of "do you see what I see". In fact it sounds to me like after people learn about ToM, there is another scenario that NT's go through, that most autistics do not. I am going to call it "do you believe my lies, and things that are not real". It plainly reads out like NT's are way more gullible about fictional things than an autistic. They know others do not think like them, yet they do. Yellow is still yellow. However, manipulating people, lying, and deception is something I really care not to do. NT's emplore it. Especially a sociopath. And reading peoples minds is another farce. Whatever it is they are doing with interpretation is not reading minds. It is another lie. They believe that it is what they are doing, and they are not.


yournamehere - I am curious. How does this tie into the results of the Sally Anne test (these are discussed in the videos I posted)? Please note, my question does not mean that I either believe and/or understand ToM. Merely that the results of the test show something is going on with NTs at a fairly young age, that autistic children do not pick up on until several years later.