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03 Mar 2014, 7:08 pm

LifUlfur wrote:
That was very confusing.
I didn't understand it.
So you mean that hell gets destroyed after a thousand years?


Yes, same as death, death is called the last enemy, 1st Corinthians 15 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
Now as Hell is the name for the grave, when death is destroyed there will no longer be a purpose for the grave as nobody will die anymore, so the grave, or Hell, Hades, Sheol gets destroyed as well.

Now as for the valley of Gehenna, this was a valley outside Jerusalem that was kept burning with brimstone, it was a giant rubbish dump where the likes of dead dogs where hurled, also dead criminals that where deemed unworthy of the resurrection, hence Jesus used the symbolism of Gehenna to demonstrate eternal destruction with no resurrection, the second death it is called, as it was allways burning, it was called the "Lake of Fire".

So you see how Hell which is the result of the first death from which there is a resurrection, has been confused with the Lake of Fire which is the second death.



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03 Mar 2014, 7:11 pm

JSBACHlover wrote:
Ultimately, hell is a choice we make about how we live our lives.


I'm down with that.



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03 Mar 2014, 8:13 pm

Since nobody has mentioned it, there exists a VERY relevant episode of "Night Gallery" where a hipster John Astin has to spend eternity in a place that is Hell to him ! !

(I don't know how to embed, so if someone would look that up and embed it, that would be, uhhh, heavenly:)


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03 Mar 2014, 8:33 pm

I'll assume this thread would be "what would your hell be" instead of "what is hell" because my response to the latter would probably be off-topic/forum.

I worked a factory job for two weeks. I would sit and assemble window hinges for 10 hours a day, switching tasks every now and then, but generally the same sort of thing.
The music they played in the background was just loud enough for me to notice even with ear plugs in, and just repetitive enough for me to recognize the same songs two, three, four days in a row.
For perfectly reasonable reasons, I wasn't allowed to wear headphones while working.
If I stayed for another week, I would have slit my throat, it was that bad.
Thankfully my old job where I can sit at a computer all day and listen to podcasts took me back. The pay is low, but I'm sufficiently stimulated.



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03 Mar 2014, 10:37 pm

I had a summer job when I was in college working a local Richardson-Vicks pharmaceutical plant. My job was to put the empty Icy Hot tubes on the pegs in the machine so that they could be filled with the lotion and clamped. There were two conveyor belts in our section, and because the first one moved faster than the other, we would have to turn the first belt off every 45 minutes so the second belt could catch up. That job was a torture for me. (And I was clumsy - one day I cut my finger and bled all over about 20 Icy Hot tubes, which made it past inspection into packaging.) There was a German lady there who always blamed me whenever the line shut down. She also didn't like me because I was Jewish.

One day, the floor manager came by to give us a scolding about our poor job performance, which was causing the line to be shut down so often. I mentioned that the reason was because the belts weren't timed properly. So I was fired. That was a good thing because the two weeks I worked there were hell for me.

But it was also enlightening. Most people loved working there because they liked the money and the benefits. That was enough to satisfy them. Most were looking forward to what they were going to eat for dinner or what sexual enjoyment they would have on the weekend. It was a real eye-opener for me to realize that there are people on God's green earth who have no problem with such an existence.



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04 Mar 2014, 2:49 pm

My hell would also be the opposite of the start of the movie "WALL-E" (one of the only good Disney-Pixar movies).



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04 Mar 2014, 7:27 pm

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I groove to the ideas presented in the "Inferno" of Dante's Divine Comedy .

I kind of like the interpretation in Niven and Pournelle's "Inferno" (where we follow the adventures of SF author Allen Carpentier in Hell). They proposed that Hell might be God's last-ditch attempt to get our attention - if we didn't listen to Him during our lives, maybe we'd listen to Him if we got thrown down. (The key came from a psychiatrist condemned for selling diagnoses - if someone wanted a family member locked up, he's provide the appropriate diagnosis, for a fee. In Hell, he was quite insane. He regaled Allen with the story of a catatonic they put into a sauna - "punishing him for not noticing us." At 90 degrees, the man started sweating; at 110 he started to move. At 120 he said his first words in fifteen years - "Get me the hell out of here!" At this point, the psychiatrist turned to Allen, grabbed his robe, and screamed, "Get me the hell out of here!")

In the novel, once you were condemned, you could still escape - you just had to accept your sin, wish sincerely for a forgiveness you knew you didn't deserve, then walk all the way to the center of Hell, learning from everywhere you stopped along the way. (Space-shuttle pilot Jerome Corbett ran away after seeing the Bolgia of the Flatterers; they lost Billy the Kid when his pride wouldn't let him run from a fight he couldn't win.) In the end, Allen made it all the way to Limbo, along with his guide Benny (full name concealed because spoilers); he then insisted that Benny had earned his own place in Heaven already, and Allen went back to guide more souls through Hell.


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04 Mar 2014, 7:55 pm

LifUlfur wrote:
My hell would also be the opposite of the start of the movie "WALL-E" (one of the only good Disney-Pixar movies).


I've never seen that movie, what would the opposite of it be?



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05 Mar 2014, 1:38 pm

WALL-E is a robot who collects rubbish and makes it into order.
He is alone on the Earth, all of the other robots have died out and the people have gone somewhere else.
He orders all the rubbish (I like this) and collects cool things which he categorises.
This is pretty much my concept of heaven.


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