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15 Mar 2014, 1:12 am

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Well, you can't discuss enough when it comes to genocide i guess. Is it right? Is it wrong? I mean, if they want to test children for autism before they are born, is that not what they are doing at a million things already (like Down Syndrome)? My opinion: i couldn't care less what people do or decide when they're pregnant. It's their body and their lives, people should be doing what they want to do. I don't care. I'm not against abortion. My opinion about how to live my life, with all my believes may differ from others. I don't mind, i think that's okay. So if people decide they don't want an autistic child, i think it's their own right to want that, and take actions, before a child is born. It's not my choice, i mean i don't see Autism not as a hard disorder or something. But i can respect those who do think different, i would not judge people on that.

I think that people have the right to say what they mean, and to want something, and arrange their lives as much as they want to. Even if it's unpopular. Wanting something or an unpopular opinion is not a felony. Acting on it is a different case ofcourse. I mean, there's a reason genocide is forbidden. Although i can understand some benefits from it, it's illegal, and i think it's a good thing it stays that way. Nobody wants a new holocaust. But i think that as long as there are people, i think this discussion stay's very difficult when it comes to ethical boundaries. Ofcourse they are subject by the time and culture we're living in. All i know is, is that i can't come up with a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer. It's too complicated for that. I think i'll be something in the middle of all that.

The best answer in the thread. Parents should not be forced to take care of a disabled child. Its very costly, emotionally draining, low quality of life for child and a lifetime of hidden resentment, so why not avoid all that before it is even consciously aware that its alive...

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15 Mar 2014, 5:31 am

My basic problem with autism speaks is that they don't have any representatives autistic people and the only spent 3% of their budget to actually help living autistic people. The basic impression that I get from them is that they're saying to artistic people "just step aside and die off, and stay out of our way as we work to make sure another generation of you are not born."

I don't know if all of you have read this but I highly recommend reading this entire letter from John Elder Robison resigning from autism speaks. He basically just couldn't take it anymore and walked out on them. Can't say I blame him.

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Earlier this week, Autism Speaks founder Suzanne Wright published an op-ed piece that laid out her views on autism, and what we should do about “the problem.” Those of you who follow my writing know I am a strong believer in science, and the promise of new tools to remediate the ways autism disables us. However, there is a vast gulf between the tone of Mrs. Wright’s words and my own. I believe we see the situation rather differently. As an autistic person this is a time when I must give primacy to my own life experience and feelings......

http://jerobison.blogspot.com/2013/11/i-resign-my-roles-at-autism-speaks.html

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15 Mar 2014, 11:19 am

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http://jerobison.blogspot.com/2013/11/i-resign-my-roles-at-autism-speaks.html

That's also the impression that I have of them. I don't blame John Elder Robinson for resigning from Autism Spoken For. Nobody would even listen to him. I'd like to see Suzanne's daughter grow up to be an autism advocate and start an organization that celebrates autism and the lives of autistic people.

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15 Mar 2014, 2:30 pm

They sure can! Even if their research comes to something fruitful (which I highly doubt it ever could) how would a parent know whether or not the child's quality of life would be poor?? Myself and my daughter would have popped up as "autistic" with some genetic testing, but our lives are far from lacking in quality or worthless! Parents are simply worried about THEIR OWN quality of life. Who is someone else to decide whether or not my quality of life is "too bad" anyway??

Eff them and the horse they ride in on and all the fear tactics they use that DO make our quality of life worse by making everyone scared of the "scary epidemic" that is autism. :roll:

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15 Mar 2014, 2:32 pm

well I don't even know who they are, so I can't really comment.

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15 Mar 2014, 4:59 pm

Autism Speaks, along with those who support the "cause" of Autism Speaks,
can indeed go f**k themselves. :evil:
The majority of people who work for Autism Speaks and/or support Autism Speaks are nothing more than 1 percenter d-bags who think they know what's best for people with ASDs.

As for comparing Autism Speaks to the Nazi Party, IMO, Autism Speaks is more like any other well-known hate group.

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15 Mar 2014, 5:23 pm

Norepinephrine wrote:

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I don't have any problem with pre-natal screening for autism. I don't have any problem with abortion generally, so it is illogical for me to oppose abortion of foetuses that turn out autistic.

Not really. You can accept that people should have the right to abortion and that developing embryos and fetuses do not have any rights but still condemn practices that support the application of abortion to protected/minority groups such as sexes, sexual orientations and ethnic groups. This is the reason there's laws against sex-selective abortion and a large amount of controversy (even in pro-choice communities).

Sexual selection has a negative effect on society far beyond selecting for any other characteristic. Just look at the communities in China and India where it is rife. The negative utility of sexual selection is enormous; selecting for autism, on the other hand, is probably more likely to have a positive utility.

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15 Mar 2014, 6:17 pm

I'd like to see them shag themselves in action. Perhaps, we can get a professional to shoot the film. It would be funny if someone downloaded the film onto the Internet. Autism Speaks, Shagging for A Cause: Look What We Can Do!

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15 Mar 2014, 7:22 pm

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Are you kidding me right now? What positive utility would that be? The comfort of society? For how long? I'm sorry if you don't think your life is worth living (or are you an NT with desires to see us all eradicated??) but I happen to like my life and I especially like my kids! It would not take but ONE generation without an autistic mind for them to realize they had made a VERY grievous error. Autistic minds add A LOT to society, whether you or Autism Speaks or anyone else wants to admit it or not.

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15 Mar 2014, 8:29 pm

I'm autistic, and I'm happy to be alive. I also don't need to live the perfect life to be happy.

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15 Mar 2014, 8:48 pm

The problem I have with genetic screening is that autism means a range of things. Dan Aykroyd has Asperger's syndrome. There is a 15-year-old physicist in Indiana with classic autism. Autism Speaks never mentions them. Would the world be better off if they had never been born? A genetic screening means they might not have been. I would prefer not to be "supported" by an organization that would prefer I not exist.

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