people with autism allowed to join british army.

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21 Mar 2014, 3:59 pm

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fire fighter or paramedic or policeman sirens are too noisy.

Hmm, good point. They're not as noisy as army machinery and explosions though. I guess being a dustman is too noisy too.

So here are some easy ways to help your country. You don't have to do all of these (it would be very hard to!), even just one would be great:

1) Get a job, almost any job. This will help you pay your own way on one hand (so you aren't as reliant on handouts) and you might even be able to make a contribution of your own if you earn enough to pay tax!
2) Try to buy in ethical ways. For example, support local shops, or buy fair trade products.
3) Campaign to make the country better.
4) Always try and vote for the best candidate in elections, and encourage others to
5) Get a voluntary job
6) Try and help strangers and animals in need
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21 Mar 2014, 4:30 pm

it isnt as simple as to say people with autism arent suitable for joining the army,some really are and if its their passion then why not? some peoples autism doesnt impair them significantly enough to cause barriers in society as they have been able to emulate NTism enough and build enough coping skills to get through life,if they can cope with the army then they shoud be allowed to join without their diagnosis becoming a automatic block from it.

in the army,there are other jobs that may suit animal loving people on the spectrum even more than frontline stuff,such as animal husbandry [always thought that name was weird as it sounds like men being married to animals].

however itd be difficult for any autist who was brought up special school educated to get in the army as it requires several GCSEs at a high level,whereas completely specialist schools from a uk perspective anyway mostly do city & guilds or ASDAN certs,was special school educated as well but got expelled at fifteen and was never found another placement,so never got any leaving certificates from school.

theres always the TA,OP if do not meet the army standards, as far as am aware they dont require GCSEs,but am certain have heard somewhere about them having to pay for their own equipment,might be getting that mixed up. :?


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21 Mar 2014, 5:27 pm

no gcse's
leavle 1 adult city & guild English
leavle 1 adult city & guild maths

i was in mainstream until after first year of high school



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22 Mar 2014, 12:08 am

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and is they a way to join the army as a solider and refuse pay?
as i know i cost this country over £100,000 more then the average person and hate the feeling of costing the country so much.

Uhhh...what about living expenses (when on leave)? If/when you join up (and if this really matters to you), then I would:
a) take what you need for living expenses,
b) put some away in savings for a rainy day
c) and give the rest away to what you believe are worthy charities.


i would feel bad for taking any more money.

i hate being in a special needs school.


Its not your fault you were born autistic, in fact your country may be partly to blame for environmental factors that helped make you that way, I kind of doubt it however think about it, it may be you that is owed or maybe just forget about the whole thing and live your life to the fullest you can paying the most taxes you can, that's what most people do.



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22 Mar 2014, 6:22 am

I would have to say that the military is the worst place (career wise) for an autistic person to be. The trouble to be got in by misunderstanding/misinterpreting orders is too great. The ONLY way it would be a good place is if they got Generals right off the street instead of working their way up the ranks ;)



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22 Mar 2014, 7:42 am

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It's not a matter of being equal and fair and nice, I think it's more a matter of efficiency and having good soldiers. Which, considering some of our traits, we may not be, e.g. sensory issues, freezing/shutting up when nervous (that would go down well in a gun-fight :!: ).


A significant portion of what militaries explicitly and implicitly do is not connected to fighting, it has been a social program in "Western" countries at least since the 1700s (levee en masse for example), and in "Eastern" countries longer than that.


Quite a few people thought that about the US Army and then found themselves being shot at while recovering from the very loud noise and distracting visual effects of an improvised explosive device in Iraq.

Neither the friendly or enemy forces seemed to care that the soldiers in question were in "non-combat" roles. You never know.



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22 Mar 2014, 9:47 am

i wanted this thread to be more like what you think of this change?



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22 Mar 2014, 10:03 am

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i wanted this thread to be more like what you think of this change?


I think they should allow those autistic people otherwise fit for service to join if the symptoms of their autism are not such that they would interfere with the performance of their duties. Probably they could put together some tests to pre-screen autistics so they know that the ones they put into training are likely to succeed.

You don't want to put a lot of time and effort training people who are bound to wash out.

I would think sensory issues would be a problem, but you would know better than I.



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22 Mar 2014, 10:44 am

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mmcool wrote:
i wanted this thread to be more like what you think of this change?


I think they should allow those autistic people otherwise fit for service to join if the symptoms of their autism are not such that they would interfere with the performance of their duties. Probably they could put together some tests to pre-screen autistics so they know that the ones they put into training are likely to succeed.

You don't want to put a lot of time and effort training people who are bound to wash out.

I would think sensory issues would be a problem, but you would know better than I.


anyway to hide sensory issues?



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22 Mar 2014, 12:18 pm

and.
how does the possess of getting into the army work?



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22 Mar 2014, 3:19 pm

anyone?



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23 Mar 2014, 7:05 am

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no one wants to answer my questions?



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23 Mar 2014, 7:58 am

Maybe because you're not giving people a chance to reply. Just be patient.

You can't hide sensory issues. All you can do is learn to try and cope with them through skills, but it's always going to be there and irritate you, it's like having IBS. You'll always be sensitive to caffeine, you can't hide it. You'll never just simply be able to learn to deal with caffeine and stop running for the toilet each time, it just happens that way.


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23 Mar 2014, 8:08 am

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Maybe because you're not giving people a chance to reply. Just be patient.

You can't hide sensory issues. All you can do is learn to try and cope with them through skills, but it's always going to be there and irritate you, it's like having IBS. You'll always be sensitive to caffeine, you can't hide it. You'll never just simply be able to learn to deal with caffeine and stop running for the toilet each time, it just happens that way.


what skills?



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23 Mar 2014, 8:12 am

Skills to cope with the sensory overload. There really are no skills to help you out, like the example I gave. You can't stop being sensitive to sounds and stuff.

Are you this determined to get into the army?

I honestly don't think they'd employ you into the army, even without sensory problems. You don't seem an ideal candidate.


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23 Mar 2014, 8:19 am

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Skills to cope with the sensory overload. There really are no skills to help you out, like the example I gave. You can't stop being sensitive to sounds and stuff.

Are you this determined to get into the army?

I honestly don't think they'd employ you into the army, even without sensory problems. You don't seem an ideal candidate.

i want to serve my country.


You don't seem an ideal candidate.
qhy?



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