Why I think aspergers should not be on the autism spectrum

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Agreed Heisenburg is getting upset. So am I. Too many people are ganging up to tell Heisenburg he is wrong, that's bullying him. No matter how good our intentions I think this is a bunch of adults bullying a teenager and I don't think that should happen.

Forgive me Heisenburg, but you are a child. And I don't mean to be condescending nor think you necessarily are unable to defend yourself, but I am angry now, I've been bullied too many times and I don't like what is going on. Maybe I'm overreacting based on my prior bad experiences, please feel free to tell me so if I am misreading what is going on and I'll stop.

I agree it's an unfortunate mistake in terms of the content. And I only quoted you Bodyles because you're being reasonable. I just feel way too many people are jumping on the bandwagon to criticize a teenager who has never been taught what we expect he will magically know. And since we not he are the adults here, it's really up to us to teach that people with autism are decent human beings and not to look down on himself for having Aspergers diagnosis. And I don't see that happening.

Heisenburg, as the Original Poster are you dissatisfied and wanting to stop receiving notifications about this thread or to ask the moderators if they will lock it? And again, if I am misreading, and you don't feel bullied, then I apologize. But I disagree that making statements that appear to be insulting which weren't intended to insult anyone, here on WrongPlanet, deserves the responses you are getting.

Do you ever get frustrated with this unending argument, KoR?

Sometimes I wonder if we do it to ourselves, or if we let ourselves get pushed into being divided by people who want to diminish everyone with a disability.

eh....no there isnt any hint of bullying going on,theres no ganging up either,we are all acting as individuals with our own minds.

its a forum thread and each individual has offered their opinion,just because it doesnt agree with an OP doesnt mean its bullying.
go report it to cornflake or tallyman if believe its bullying and see what they say.

am not sure what mean waterfalls? please coud rephrase it?

Like the OP I faced bullying for my entire time in school.

People here should not forget at that age the pressure to be normal.

People with Autism are poor at understanding other peoples points of view.

The OP is under great pressure and stress facing bullying in school.

All I can say is I made it through this and so will you.

Denial causes and adds to stress.

Aspergers is Autism and that is a fact.

Like you OP my place on the spectrum use to be called Aspergers.

There are people here on the board on the more classic part of the spectrum like Kingdom of Rats and Eszra and to be honest their posts make a lot more sense then mine.

It has occurred to me that some people that appear from the outside to be lower functioning may be a more intelligent than I am.
The two poster's I have mentioned seem to understand all the different traits and that each trait is on a spectrum.
I won't even mention co morbid conditions.

I have every sympathy with you OP but the ironic thing is you are trying to distance yourself from the best posters on this board.

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I guess she thinks of the "Asperger's vs. HFA vs. LFA vs. PDD-NOS vs. NVLD vs. Autistic vs. Supremacist vs. whatever you can put here" game, that makes people who have a disability (mostly because of being on the spectrum) as a group even weaker in our society due to being divided.

Thank you for telling me I did not word well, KoR

I've read you do some activist work and try to advocate some. Historically, underrepresented minorities are sometimes kept down by encouraging division. And I wondered, as an activist, what do you think when you read someone with autism or aspergers emphasizing distinctions? And what do you do, personally, when you encounter someone doing this?

Sorry I have ASD on the Aspergers bit of the spectrum and I agree Autism or ASD is the term I feel at ease with.

Yes, thank you OJani. That's exactly what I wanted to say.

I wondered if it strikes anyone else the way it does me is all.

They should just outlaw this whole entire stupid discussion.

Or better idea, force somebody who wants to start a new thread on this topic listen to audios reenactments of every prior thread on the subject 15 times before they are allowed to start a new one. (Can I get paid for that idea?)

Waterfalls is right though, he's a kid and he (along with some very vocal adults on this forum) don't understand what classic or lf Autism is. So the question is, how to educate people with Autism as well as people without Autism?

Heisenberg, I love your name - did you name yourself after Heisenberg or Walter White?

I think Kingdom of Rats is kind of like a Thomas Jefferson for Autism, people like her actually manage to bring about changes in the world that help other people. You're 17 so you may not know it yet, but that's no small thing. We Aspies should count ourselves lucky to have her on our team (as well as many other low functioning people on this forum).

Not really. When you post something on any forum that says "this is what I think should be", thats an invitation for people to agree or disagree with you. If they disagree in mass, that is not bullying. Thats just a lot of people disagreeing with you. In this case strongly disagreeing.



The thread should not be closed, because it's clearly within the bounds of Alex's rule #2. "Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not." I believe all of the attacks here have been on the OP's opinion, belief or philosophy, not on the OP himself. But since most of the moderators here can't understand the rule themselves, and the fact that it seems to be popular for WP members to start debates, and then run to moderators to get the thread closed when they start to lose the debate, this thread will probably be closed, soon too, in spite of of the rules.

Bicker, bicker, bicker, bicker - what is it with you children - do you honestly think you are achieving anything by bickering - maybe when you bicker to your mum that you don't like you sneakers she buys you another pair to shut you up - but for god sake bickering about where in the United Nations World Health Organisation International Classification of Diseases Asperger's Syndrome is listed won't get the United Nations to put it somewhere else - what you have to do is stop acting like an eight year old, accept the hand of cards you have been dealt, and play them to the best of your ability - to get the best return out of them

I wasn't diagnosed as having aspergers syndrome until I was 49 - before that it was called autistic psychopathy - that's the name Hans Asperger gave it - I was diagnosed at age 15 as having autistic psychopathy - before that I was diagnosed at the age of 7 as being a witch by the head teacher of Junior School and he reminded the rest of the school that the Bible says Thou Shalt Not Suffer A Witch To Live - so they tried to kill me for a week - so I attempted suicide four times in the evening of the fifth day and ended up in a 48 hour coma shut in an industrial cold store I broke into to lie down and die - before that I'd been diagnosed at 5 years of age as an autistic child savant and before that at age 4 as an idiot savant

My infancy, childhood and early teens were so bizarre, and as I'd no luck at trying to kill myself, I learned self-mesmerism from a library book and at age 15 switched off all memory of my life to that point and spent the next 35 years of my life not knowing who I was, reinforced by another switch off at age 38, when I couldn't cope with becoming a parent, until I needed hypno-regression therapy from a private consultant clinical psychiatrist to cure a nervous breakdown I had in my office at work.

I could have taken early retirement on health grounds, but the therapy made my performance rocket at work and I began shifting mountains the size of Everest, metaphorically, whereas before I could hardly manage ones the size of Snowden, and I was asked to stay on to steer the flagship project I had planned to a United Nations Educational, Social and Cultural Organisation Man and Biosphere Reserve designation, and coach and counsel other auties and aspies like myself, in my own professions, and ones we networked with, to help them cope with their conditions and rocket their performances too.

So I did that until I was 65, then retired and touched base with my former selves by tons of reading, studying and belly-button gazing, and wrote a trilogy of books about my life of autism and aspergers, and compendium 'special offer' of 3 books for the price of 2 in 1 ebook - i'm currently writing trilogy and compendium of speculative historical fantasies for publication in September and have my second meeting with my nation's government business grant controllers for them to pump prime my compiling an encyclopaedia and story book series in 166 instalments for pre-, home-, and spec-ed-schooling auties and aspies who don't do well at their present schools

The moral of my story is get your head out of your butt because all you'll find up there is your ego - start looking outward instead of inward to help your fellow auties and aspies cope with the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune we all seem to attract as if we were electro-magnets

Namaste

And PS - did I offend you - I bloody well hope so because you offend me

Adrian, I thought your post was going to be really bad after your first paragraph, but it was actually brilliant. You clearly had things really tough, but still succeeded. Your story is inspirational.

The OP came here because he is fed up with the ignorance he meets, he is angry about it, and he wishes the world was different. That's what underlies his original post, and most of us probably relate well enough to that. His solution was unfortunate, most people disgreed. Disagreement in itself isn't bullying. At 15 and new to WP, the OP didn't know that his suggestion was likely to be offensive to people. He surely knows that now.

The first answer said why tell people you have aspergers? OP, you made no response to that.

I am guessing that you think, OP, that people SHOULD accept you as you when you tell them you have aspergers - the problem is them, the problem is their warped view of ASD - but actually, the problem is yours: how to live in a world that stereotypes, oppresses minority groups, where NTs think that any difference from being NT means being less than themselves. It's you who has to learn how to deal with that without it destabilising your life. Even if Aspergers was separated out, ignorant people would still act in ignorant ways. It wouldn't change anything much in terms of the social interactions that have angered you.

You can blame others for their ignorance and the impact it has on you, and wait for them to change. However this strategy is a total dead end. (Hope you don't choose this. The wait is very long). Better to understand how ignorance works, and what you can do or not do to minimise its impact on you.

At 15, you have a long long way to go. Maybe you will become someone who makes a tremendous difference, as your learning curve has begun so early.

It's my opinion that a group of adults telling a child how wrong he is this forcefully is bullying. I understand no one else agrees. I have no idea why not. And don't care. That's my opinion. Not yelling at anyone. I just don't like this. I understand I can leave.