Frustrated with NTs, need aspie opinion on ethical issue

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If I cannot end this injustice I would lessen it as much as possible. Yes I would like to make the lives of these animals easier if we cannot save them.

What about carnivorous pets like cats and dogs? They NEED meat to survive. And they usually can't get it by themselves.

If you look at my profile picture you will see I do infact have two dogs,


Do I see something wrong with eatting them???


YES!! ! For started the white one is 11 years old and she is my retired service dog . She has worked along pised me for many years she is my partner and my best friend!she also is aging and doesn't seem to have much time left. I am not in a position where I need to contemplate eatting her.

My other is a pup his name is strider and he is my service dog in training and I love him more then words could ever say! Like with Nim it's not an issue I need to worry about and to be frank as a responsible dog owner and handler I would give them up to someone who could care for them if I ever found myself in a situation where starvation was becoming an issue for me.

There is a major difference between my dogs and a cow, what they were bred for. Hpcorpws goats sheep ect are prey animals plain and simple, I as a rule don't tend to eat Carnivora, some omnivors he but not strictly carnivors,


Again I state what I did before I have no issues eatting pigs, cow and chickens if I know they were raised and cared for hip unmanly ideally free range ect.

To add to it there are pretty strict humane regulations on how an animal is to be sluaghted! In the way they die the fastest and have the least pain.


Are there case of abuse yes

Are massive factory farms evil yes

But trying to push people into vegan ism won't help at all! You want to make a diffrence educate people on the evils of factory farming and have them make the champ be to humanity raised food!

Dogs can live very healthy lives as vegans. I have heard they tend to live longer. I know a vegan dog who is 15 years old. Very sweet girl! Cats cannot. We should no longer breed cats.

I wasn?t trying to upset you with what I said but I thought a direct approach would be better. I have met cows at a sanctuary and they were so kind and gentle. I just met them for 15 minutes and we hugged and they started following me.

This is all irrelevant. What they were bred for is irrelevant. I believe some Asian countries breed dogs for food. Does that make the crime any lighter? Whether or not they are our friends is irrelevant to their rights. What they were bred for is also irrelevant. What matters is their ability to suffer. All sentient beings capable of suffering deserve consideration, and we should not harm or exploit them if we don?t have to.

Do you think it is ok to eat dogs bred for food? Why do you think breeding is relevant? Breeding is simply the act of humans artificially selecting animals for their own purposes but that does not lower their sentience or capacity to suffer. You could breed humans for slave labor and then say that is what they were bred for. To me that has no moral implication whatsoever. It is their capacity to suffer that entitles them to moral consideration.

Your dogs look really sweet btw I also love dogs, more than humans actually.

How is stopping life from existing (not breeding cats) different to killing, assuming that the animals die in a humane manner?

I wouldn't eat cats nor dogs, because I love them as pets and feel a connection with the animals. I don't feel the same connection with other animals. Perhaps if I did, I wouldn't eat them either, but I don't, so I eat them, and that's just how I am. Whether or not that makes me weak in someone's eyes I don't know, but it doesn't bother me.

Perhaps I can't logically back up every decision I make using verbal reasoning, but if I was born with a brain that thinks the way I do, then logically that's my reason for thinking in these ways. No matter how I go about it, I will eat meat until I feel like I no longer want to, and that reason may be a change of heart, or something else entirely. Cold hard facts won't convince me, because in my mind most are irrelevant.

So far nothing has convinced me to stop eating meat.

It is much different! Not creating new life and killing existing life are way different. One includes a victim the other does not. When a victim is involved a crime has been committed. When no victim is involved no crime has been committed. If we keep breeding cats we need to kill to keep them alive; whereas if we do not breed cats, we need not harm anyone. The choice is clear.

Do you think there is no difference between using birth control and killing a human?

This is not about how you look in my eyes or what I think!! ! I do not matter at all with regard to this issue! This is about treating beings that want love, comfort and life with respect and compassion. It is about not killing and abusing vulnerable beings who are entirely at our mercy. I don?t matter here at all.

This is not about logic it is about compassion. You do not have a connection with all cats and all dogs, only some. And you can have a connection with other farm animals as well. But whether or not you an connect with someone should not affect your respect for their rights.

How do you feel about others eating dogs and cats?

The thing about dogs is that they're bred to be loyal despite sometimes extreme cruelty

If any of my dog owning friends fed their pets vegan or vegetarian diets, I'd have to insist that those dogs went to better homes.

What you deem to be a crime is only so because it involves something that was alive. Why does 'being alive' hold such relative importance? If something is killed instantly, it is as if it wasn't yet born. If you kill a human, they disappear. If you stop others reproducing, you have stopped new life from entering the world, they disappear.

I'm not too sure what you mean by this: 'If we keep breeding cats we need to kill to keep them alive'

Of course there is a difference between using birth control and killing a human, but birth control was invented as a means to control pregnancy in modern society. People like to have sex for fun, without having to become parents. They put their need for happiness above creating new life. Eating meat is similar. We kill animals for meat (happiness) above being vegans. I had other ideas in my head that would help me make more sense of this, but they have vanished at this time. These are all very subjective, and there is no definite right or wrong, thus there is no true committed crime provided something else cannot be.

I can agree with wanting to treat them with love, respect, compassion etc, and I would do so if in contact with them in real life. I would never kill the cows on my farm (if I had one) for meat, as I would be too attached to them. That isn't the case for me however, and my previous post entails what I do in that circumstance.

No I don't have a connection with all cats and dogs, technically, at least not the same level as my own. There is enough of a connection THAT I FEEL however to prevent me from eating them.

If it came down to dirty business, I can guarantee that you would choose to let your family live (whom you have a connection with) over random strangers. You can respect the strangers right to live, but how important is it to you in that situation?

Oh yes, a long healthy happy life, how horrid!

Things that are alive and sentient have needs and desires and can feel. Some possible life (metaphysical possibility) does not exist in the actual world. Only existing sentient beings have rights, non-existing ones don?t. We don?t have to create new life. That is one of our rights as existing beings. If something does not exist it is absurd to bestow rights upon it.

If you stop breeding cats nobody needs to die. If you continue breeding cats, cats will die or cows will die (and you will have to kill them or pay a hitman).

Not creating new life for happiness is different from extinguishing existing life for happiness. If you wish to go down the subjectivity path then there might be no crimes at all, not genocide, not infanticide...

If I had a choice I would save my family rather than strangers but only within moral means. I would not steal a stranger?s organs to save a family member. I would give money for a life saving operation to a family member rather than a stranger. There are morals to follow even in extreme situations.

How do you feel about others eating dogs and cats?

Me too. I have an NT friend who is like that and very strongly so.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... t-excerpt/

http://m.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html

http://www.livestrong.com/article/44131 ... your-diet/

But animals should be treated correctly.

Now your just going nuts,man.we evolved on meat.it is necessary to brain development.A**.

Of what importance is sentience over something definitely possible (new life)? Why does currently having needs, desires and feelings affect the outcome of an instantaneous death, whereby they will no longer exist. Shouldn't it not matter after they have been killed? Their body will be there, yes, but their sentience won't.

We aren't really creating life, unless there is some cat breeding factory you're referring to that I don't know exists. What I thought you meant by cat breeding is that we allow our pets to mate with each other.



You're stopping sentience by preventing breeding, and you're stopping sentience by instantaneously ending a life. I don't really see the difference, if there is no emotional connection to the beings in question. You don't have an emotional connection to something not born, therefore no one really cares about preventing births. You can develop emotional connections with existing beings, hence why you have compassion for the animals that are killed. If the emotional connection isn't there.. as I said I see them to be essentially one and the same.

I'm not sure how cows will die if you breed cats, nor how cats will die. To be honest, I'm really confused by what you mean with cat breeding. I think I am on wrong terms with this.



It is subjective, but the examples I listed are typical of our species. Genocide is not really typical of the human species, nor is it able to be considered appropriate when compared to matters like birth control and eating meat.



One life is still more important to you than the other. It's an extreme example, but you would be more happy with your family member around than with a stranger. The only real philosophy for which life can abide to is that it avoids pain and seeks pleasure.



I don't really care. There's nothing I can do about it, just I would never do it. I'm against the killing of house pets because I have a connection with them, that I don't with other animals.