I really like kids and others don't seem to

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You should consider jettisoning the emotion of 'disgust'. It is a primitive emotion- possibly more primitive than 'love'- and it keeps you shackled.

http://www.webmd.com/news/20090226/mora ... ve-emotion
Morality has been widely considered to be a somewhat recent phenomenon, evolutionarily speaking, that is closely tied to our ability to reason. Disgust, on the other hand, is considered an ancient and primitive emotion, which helped to keep early humans from eating foods that would kill them.

No where in that article that you linked does it mention that disgust is more or less primitive than love. Also, I don't actively experience disgust very often if ever.
I don't really feel anything at all. So you may be more inclined to say I have already jettisoned said emotion.

No, I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I was addressing olympiadis' mischaracterization of what you said, not what you actually said. Your line of reasoning is irrelevant unless it implies that olympiadis was correct ? that you do think emotions aren't real.

I never made a statement as to whether olympiadis was correct or incorrect, however his presumption that emotions are of no substance is clearly false based on what I've written in prior posts. If this is the objective basis of your statement than I fully agree with you.

You do realize what would happen if no one chose to have kids, don't you?

But getting back to the OP...sorry I was sidetracked...some people like kids. My sister does. She always has. Have you thought of using your joy in spending time with kids to inform your decisions regarding your career or vocation?

That's true. It doesn't. It's a very short article and as far as giving a time line it only claims that disgust predates notions of morality. I put in the caveat of 'possibly' because it was just a guess.





And yet...love 'disgusts' you. No cognitive dissonance?

There is no emotional conflict here, so I have no cognitive dissonance. I only experience these feelings when I'm subjected to love; which is extremely rare.

That was simply...AWESOME!

I know this will not be received well, but I can't help but think that MehruneMath failed to watch the final season of The Fringe, or at least he stopped at the point where The Watchers seemed intellectually superior due to their lack of emotional response. Honestly, MM, I am starting to think you are playing games with us.

I do not watch television programs so you're going to have to fill me in.
Why do you believe I'm playing games with you?

Your POV pretty much mirrors the final season of the series, right down to the technologically assisted reproduction. I'm sure you can find it online somewhere.

I think you are playing games because I cannot figure out why someone who is as devoted to logic and pure intellect as you claim to be would spend any time at all on a site such as WP, much less any time at all on a thread like this. It would seem that theads such as this and sites such as WP would be so devoid of interest to you as to prevent you from taking time away from more "sophisticated" pursuits. The fact that you are here is pretty much in direct contradiction to who you are claiming to be, or at least with the degree to which you claim.

((You know...sharing ideas with those of us with lesser intellects, and all...certainly there must be forums out there that are not peopled with individuals searching to find commonalities with other human beings. The need to belong and to be understood is clearly worth ridicule or at least disdain, don't you think? Pretty primitive for someone of higher intellect, I would imagine))

Although at 21, I can forgive you for having conflicts regarding who you say you are, how you act, and who you want to be. Most people do not know who they are at the age of 21 and most are searching. So I can appreciate that you may think yourself to be be much clearer in your position than you really are.

1. We no longer need human beings to reproduce and soon with the coming technological singularity this will be standard. Human beings will be integrated and replaced by technology and artificial intelligence.

2. I don't care to experience joy, it does nothing for me or society at large. Children do not influence the choices that I make, or effect my career.



I registered with this board to ask the autistic community here their opinion on my traits in comparison with the autistic spectrum.
This is going to be my final post here as you are correct, posting here is clearly a waste of my time. I don't care about forming connections with other human beings unless it furthers progression.
There is no conflict; I've been this way since I was a small child and haven't changed since. There cannot exist an emotional conflict, or a conflict of interest as I don't have feelings. The need to understand my personality was simply a task I was undertaking to choose where my intellect would be best applied in my studies.

At one extreme end of the A.S. are the true psychopaths in which the feelings are either never generated in the subconscious, or never deliver any results of such a process up into the conscious thought. The advantages are obviously much less contaminated conscious logical thought, which is valuable. The caution would be to pick a profession where your work did not directly affect the lives of other humans, or other life forms for the most part.
A lack of compassion could become very dangerous for those affected.
Something like computer coding, or designing electronic entertainment comes to mind.

I'll post one more time if only to respond to you, as you seem to be more sensible.

I've had feelings before, when I was a child they were much more vibrant. My experiences with other humans in the past has led me to shut down my feelings over time. They gradually became less and less of a factor in my life. I do lack compassion now, and I am into programming as a career. I plan on assisting with the development of artificial intelligence, although when I code it; I will be sure to not include any human emotions. I believe this is mostly due to a result of the way people treated me in the past. I'm content with the way things have turned out for me, because if I had felt more of a connection to people and developed all of these emotions others have; I would not have had the insight to realize how pointless they are to code into a sentient machine with the goal of progressing research and knowledge.

I can picture myself in the corner of a daycare, holding my knees rocking back and forth while kids are screaming at the top of their lungs, and then me whispering to myself:

"go to my happy place..."
"go to my happy place..."
"go to my happy place..."


Seriously though have you heard a little girl scream? I don't think there's a sound more horrifying, maybe the xenomorph shriek from the alien movies MIGHT give it a little competition.

So glad my heart doesn't need to handle that sort of abuse.

I believe the psychologists would describe your situation as PTSD which either "damaged" you subconsciously, or conditioned you to suppress those sorts of inputs from your subconscious.
In short, you just do not "enjoy" the physical effect that normally comes from the chemical reward pathway in the brain that is normally triggered by certain emotions.
They often describe this as unhealthy or dangerous for a few reasons. The first is that repression isn't exactly the same as elimination, and things from the subconscious can sometimes "decide" to burst out in unpredictable ways. Another thing is that the seratonin production and uptake system is compromised, which can lead to other physiological disorders.

I don't really understand all of that fully, so I couldn't say for sure the situation is necessarily dangerous. It is true that many people who lack the natural chemical reward become very prone to use substance abuse as a substitute. Either way you would essentially be a drug addict of sorts, which is how I now describe the NTs' obsession with identity and social acceptance.

I think that many who have experienced PTSD can and do become able to experience compassion again at least on some levels. Sometimes changes like that come with time.
In the mean time you can fulfill the need for a competent coder.

No, by all means do not attempt to code in emotions or anything to do with human identity algorithms into AI. It would end in disaster just as it is with us, but at a much accelerated rate.

The identity software has evolved to actually create more problems, not solve them. In that way the algorithms self-perpetuate, and do not work themselves out of a job.

And yes, identity software manipulates emotions in order to lure/drug us into doing its bidding.

Seems more like Schizoid PD to me. People with PTSD still experience intense emotions, too much, in fact.