If physical illness was treated like mental illness..

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14 Nov 2014, 10:52 am

Anxiety makes me screw up socially. Anxiety makes me say the wrong thing at the wrong time. Anxiety makes me come up with snap judgments--which are without a basis in fact. Anxiety had made me make bad choices in life.

Anxiety causes me to have diarrhea. Anxiety causes me to have headaches. Anxiety has caused me to vomit before. Anxiety causes my heart rate to race.



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14 Nov 2014, 11:09 am

It makes my muscles ache because I automatically tense them all the time. And clenching my teeth. I have to be mindful to stop myself from doing these things. Walking my dog helps.



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14 Nov 2014, 12:44 pm

And yet NTs don't lack empathy?


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14 Nov 2014, 3:15 pm

The physiological impacts of anxiety are numerous because just like other stress, it impacts on all systems of the body, with raised cortisol levels, increased inflammation (not the kind you can see), and if chronic these can be precursors to very serious illnesses. I'll post a link about the inflammatory impact of depression later, when I find it, it may surprise many.



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14 Nov 2014, 3:49 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Anxiety makes me screw up socially. Anxiety makes me say the wrong thing at the wrong time. Anxiety makes me come up with snap judgments--which are without a basis in fact. Anxiety had made me make bad choices in life.

Anxiety causes me to have diarrhea. Anxiety causes me to have headaches. Anxiety has caused me to vomit before. Anxiety causes my heart rate to race.


The only thing missing from this list is the weird feeling in your hands and wrists... Sorry that you also go through this.

I can vividly recall my first week of working as a freelance graphic designer on a trade magazine job... I had a bag with some specialized tools:
Syquest 44 cartridge, personal set of schaedler rules, pens, loupe, maalox, kaopectate.
Dealing with the gastric consequence of stress was just as important as getting the type and color right.



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14 Nov 2014, 3:51 pm

http://discovermagazine.com/2014/julyau ... flammation

If this link interests you, you can find the research on depression and inflammation easily on Google, and articles similar to the one linked here.

To me it is a very interesting and relatively recent breakthrough by the researchers. Curiously, given the huge impact and incidence of depression, it had been given little attention by the medical profession and psychiatrists. One reason for this, unfortunately, is that drug companies have a bonus-payment-per-prescription system in quite significant amounts. Not many countries allow this, but the USA and New Zealand do, and they allow it to be hidden from the patient-consumer. However that is another topic for another day.

In this thread we are discussing the serious flipside of the cartoons - which made the point that "mental" illness merits the same acceptance, understanding and respect the "physical" illness does. We have collectively made the related point - with surprisingly few exceptions - that the conceptualisation of illness as either "physical" or "mental" is arbitrary and more a matter of prejudice and ignorance than fact and reality.



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14 Nov 2014, 3:59 pm

I think this false dichotomy is a legacy of Cartesian dualism and is continuously energized by the desire to believe that our minds have "free will" and are not subject to forced change as a result of fluctuations in our physical beings.

Some people feel a deep existential dread when they confront the idea that their minds are inseparable from their bodies.



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14 Nov 2014, 4:31 pm

Right on with that observation!

(On a lighter note, you hear "I'm afraid of losing my mind" but not "I'm afraid of losing my body" LOL) Curious in a way!



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14 Nov 2014, 4:49 pm

Adamantium wrote:
I think this false dichotomy is a legacy of Cartesian dualism and is continuously energized by the desire to believe that our minds have "free will" and are not subject to forced change as a result of fluctuations in our physical beings.

Some people feel a deep existential dread when they confront the idea that their minds are inseparable from their bodies.


I've noticed too that people think their "goodness" is consistent over time. But really our reactions and behaviour can vary from day to day. There is no always good person. Judgment can be effected by hunger, fatigue, chemical imbalances. I think as we learn more about brain chemistry people's behaviour will be fairly consistent as unhealthy deviations could be medicated away. Like optimized biological machines.



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14 Nov 2014, 4:54 pm

Absolutely....nobody is always "good."

It doesn't mean, though, that one cannot aspire to be as decent as one can be.

I'm also a firm believer in the symbiotic relationship between the "mental," the "emotional," and the "physical" within all kinds of illnesses.

Do I believe in "free will?" Absolutely--in most cases.



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14 Nov 2014, 5:05 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Anxiety makes me screw up socially. Anxiety makes me say the wrong thing at the wrong time. Anxiety makes me come up with snap judgments--which are without a basis in fact. Anxiety had made me make bad choices in life.

Anxiety causes me to have diarrhea. Anxiety causes me to have headaches. Anxiety has caused me to vomit before. Anxiety causes my heart rate to race.


+1 and add on panic attacks. Its a horrid experience.



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14 Nov 2014, 5:28 pm

I'm fortunate I've never had a panic attack--but I've come close.



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14 Nov 2014, 7:28 pm

Anxiety - experienced in the mind as a distinctive state. Experienced in the body as a distinctive state. Anxiety: a distinctive state affecting mind and body: mind + body = a distinctive experience with underlying physiological unity between brain and the rest of the body.

http://www.anxietycare.org.uk/docs/biol ... ffects.asp



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14 Nov 2014, 7:44 pm

It's physiological, yet experienced as "emotional."

It has an "emotional" impact upon me.



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14 Nov 2014, 8:46 pm

At this stage, I'm thinking about two issues that are extremely relevant to this whole thread. The first of these is Reductionism. For those unfamiliar with this term, here's a simple example:

Patient X walks into a clinic looking miserable, is tearful and reports having been unhappy for days.
On this basis, a diagnosis of depression is made and assumed to be the sole cause.
Patient X walks out with a prescription for depression, a mental illness solely due to a misfunctioning of Patient X's defective brain.
Reductionism is basically "scientists wearing blinkers and jumping to a simplistic conclusion which they mistake as being scientifically explanatory".

What might have happened t if a non-reductionist been applied to Patient X's presentation: first, he was asked, what has been going on in your life in the past 3 months?

He discloses that it has been a very tough time. Patient X's loved mother recently died, he is under massive stress from managerial issues at work, the bank is going to foreclose on his mortgage, and as a result of these pressures he is unable to sleep, his angina is playing up. On examination it is found that his blood pressure has skyrocketed, his cortisol levels are so high that they are inducing typical secondary symptoms of depression, he is gaining weight because of his skyhigh cortisol levels, stress has raised his C-Reactive Protein levels to a point that it is causing arteries to narrow and blood flow through them to be less efficient, and for all of these reasons, which need identification, consideration and treatment, he is a mess. He is a prime candidate for an imminent heart attack and needs immediate intervention for that. He needs support and counsel from financial advisers on his financial problems. Grief counselling and support seems indicated. Intervention to manage and lower his stress levels is urgent, and he is referred to stress management providers. He needs to rest and restore normal sleep cycles. A full blood count and laboratory tests are indicated to assess his current physiological status before completing the treatment plan.

That's the core problem with psychiatry that deals with "mental" illness. It's reductionist, it leaps to simplistic assumptions, it confuses symptoms with causes, it blames every "mental" condition of a "malfunctioning brain disorder". Depression typically has wider roots in social components, personal components, situational components, cultural components, physical components, lifestyle components, emotional components and psychological components - the latter often stemming from unresolved abuse and abandonment in childhood. In every serious "depression" there is whole story behind it in many chapters. Psychiatry is uninterested in the story, in the personhood of the patient, uninterested in the stigmatising effect of their pronouncing such a person as "mentally ill". The multifactorial approach they almost never bother with takes time, care, respect, open-mindedness, diligence, sensitivity, and empathy. And the drug companies do not pay the high bonuses for that, only for the prescriptions of prozac et al.

You can call this stupidity, or short-sightedness, or self-interest, or even corruption - or none of these depending on your point of view. I think I have at least made mine pretty clear: in all areas of medicine, people presenting with "mental" symptoms are the most poorly treated, undertreated and it is no surprise that many make no profound recovery despite taking the SSRIs for years. Some just experience blankness. This makes them no further trouble to the medical profession who can then write repeat prescriptions in the smug knowledge that they are "helping" the patient "manage" his symptoms. The quality of life that the patient experiences is not a priority in such thinking.

Reductionism sucks, bigtime.



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14 Nov 2014, 8:51 pm

Another example of reductionist thinking that came up earlier in this thread the depressed just need to "take responsibility to get exercise and make lifestyle changes". That's heard so often that it has become the mantra of reductionist thinking applied to depressed people.

You might need to look at the cartoons again now, after all this heavy stuff..