New autism study (Curious what u all think)

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30 Nov 2014, 11:29 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Not trusting big pharma is irrational.


Maybe you are not clear on what all 'big pharma' refers to....irrational would be blindly trusting them. Of course some of the drugs are effective, but many of them have lots of nasty side effects...some people are coerced into taking certian meds that might not be the best for them, doctors might prescribe a more 'marketed' medication due to some perk they are getting even if it might not be the best medication for that person. The trouble is there is gigantic profit motive within 'big pharma' so it ends up being more about the profit than making sure people are getting medications they need to help them...maybe even making misleading claims about medications or not being upfront about all the possible side effects just to get more people on it. Also a lot of these meds have terrible withdrawls yet the get prescribed like candy...feeling down? 'well take this anti-depressant, you should also add this anti-psychotic'. So yes there is lots of reason to question 'big pharma' and not trust it, but one can certainly trust that medications can help, they can and do, do that for some people but trusting big pharma would pretty much mean you'll take any drug they tell you without question and trust they always know best which does not seem to smart to me. I personally like to look into medications before I take them, make sure I am comfortable with the risks vs. the potential benefits...and if something is having nasty effects I am not going to keep taking it.



I agree.

Pharmaceutical companies are businesses that want profits at the end of the day. It's not profitable for them to research ways to heal patients as a whole - they research drugs that treat specific conditions or symptoms. That doesn't make them inherently bad, because as you noted there are some positive aspects.

Take it with a grain of salt? :lol:

Back on topic... the increased connectivity is an interesting area of study but I'm not so sure about using it to head in a direction of creating drugs to give children that will alter brain development. It doesn't seem ethical to me.



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30 Nov 2014, 11:35 pm

I don't like to take pharmaceutical drugs of any kind, because they interfere with the natural processes of the body and make me feel weird. I definitely would never want to take a drug that had the potential to change my brain in some way.



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30 Nov 2014, 11:46 pm

There's not enough information on the actual study to make any informed view of it. Typical of summaries like this, it tells us nothing about the methodology, sampling, previous work referenced, how the data was collected and analysed, how conclusions were reached...



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30 Nov 2014, 11:56 pm

blueblahbleh wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
geometrictunneling wrote:

Not trusting big pharma is irrational.


Maybe you are not clear on what all 'big pharma' refers to....irrational would be blindly trusting them. Of course some of the drugs are effective, but many of them have lots of nasty side effects...some people are coerced into taking certian meds that might not be the best for them, doctors might prescribe a more 'marketed' medication due to some perk they are getting even if it might not be the best medication for that person. The trouble is there is gigantic profit motive within 'big pharma' so it ends up being more about the profit than making sure people are getting medications they need to help them...maybe even making misleading claims about medications or not being upfront about all the possible side effects just to get more people on it. Also a lot of these meds have terrible withdrawls yet the get prescribed like candy...feeling down? 'well take this anti-depressant, you should also add this anti-psychotic'. So yes there is lots of reason to question 'big pharma' and not trust it, but one can certainly trust that medications can help, they can and do, do that for some people but trusting big pharma would pretty much mean you'll take any drug they tell you without question and trust they always know best which does not seem to smart to me. I personally like to look into medications before I take them, make sure I am comfortable with the risks vs. the potential benefits...and if something is having nasty effects I am not going to keep taking it.



I agree.

Pharmaceutical companies are businesses that want profits at the end of the day. It's not profitable for them to research ways to heal patients as a whole - they research drugs that treat specific conditions or symptoms. That doesn't make them inherently bad, because as you noted there are some positive aspects.

Take it with a grain of salt? :lol:

Back on topic... the increased connectivity is an interesting area of study but I'm not so sure about using it to head in a direction of creating drugs to give children that will alter brain development. It doesn't seem ethical to me.


Actually, the issue is with how medicine is practiced and paid for in modern times. In my opinion, medicine started collapsing with the development of HMO's back in the 1980's. While at the time it seemed to be a good idea, it has descended into a morass of Attornies, insurance companies and not-for-profit (not-for profit is NOT the same as non-profit) company executives who run the corporation as their own little fiefdom.

Nowadays, most doctors, who don't want to be sued out of existence, practice what is called evidence-based medicine. For most physical cases, evidence-based medicine works perfectly fine. You break your leg, you have physical evidence, and you know what the Rx is going to be. Ditto with Someone who has cancer of the large intestine,

Where evidence-based medicine breaks down is with mental illness. The typical GP wouldn't know what to do with bipolar disorder, for example, whereas, a smart psychiatrist would order a complete physical work up to see if it might be Hashimoto's thyroid, another thyroid deficiency, tumor, etc. failing any diseased internal organ, a history should be taken to see if it is an environmental issue or a situational issue. Unfortunately, when it comes to behavioral health, we, the public get the short shrift from the behavioral health profession. Why? The money handler's want the cheapest solution in the shortest time possible. Never mind that psychotherapies such as CBT and DBT take longer, but may produce a better outcome: the money handlers want results fast and cheaply, hence psychotropic medications.



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01 Dec 2014, 1:38 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
geometrictunneling wrote:

Not trusting big pharma is irrational.


Maybe you are not clear on what all 'big pharma' refers to....irrational would be blindly trusting them. Of course some of the drugs are effective, but many of them have lots of nasty side effects...some people are coerced into taking certian meds that might not be the best for them, doctors might prescribe a more 'marketed' medication due to some perk they are getting even if it might not be the best medication for that person. The trouble is there is gigantic profit motive within 'big pharma' so it ends up being more about the profit than making sure people are getting medications they need to help them...maybe even making misleading claims about medications or not being upfront about all the possible side effects just to get more people on it. Also a lot of these meds have terrible withdrawls yet the get prescribed like candy...feeling down? 'well take this anti-depressant, you should also add this anti-psychotic'. So yes there is lots of reason to question 'big pharma' and not trust it, but one can certainly trust that medications can help, they can and do, do that for some people but trusting big pharma would pretty much mean you'll take any drug they tell you without question and trust they always know best which does not seem to smart to me. I personally like to look into medications before I take them, make sure I am comfortable with the risks vs. the potential benefits...and if something is having nasty effects I am not going to keep taking it.


Don't just take any drug they tell you, do your own research

Nasty side effects? A lot of people don't even wait till antidepressants become effective and just complain about day one side effects. Anti depressants have been around for decades, safety and tolerability is great.



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01 Dec 2014, 4:11 am

Thank you everyone so far who has contributed to this thread.

I am curious to hear from people who practice meditation on a regular basis, as I hear latest developments in neuroscience is saying we can literally refire and wire new nural pathways and radically restructure our brains.

Personally speaking I have experienced this to some very small degree through channelling my obsessionality from mindless activity into regular mindfulness practice.

I don't practice meditation to reach enlightenment, just to be able to reduce my susceptibility to depression and be more present to my deeper desires and interests.

Some links below.

http://www.mindfulnessbell.org/wp/2012/ ... the-brain/

Watch "How We Learn - Synapses and Neural Pathways" on YouTube - How We Learn - Synapses and Neural Pathways: http://youtu.be/BEwg8TeipfQ



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01 Dec 2014, 7:53 am

geometrictunneling wrote:
if they were not effective patients wouldn't keep taking them. It really is not a conspiracy.
Not trusting big pharma is irrational.

Interesting, but just because a lot of people are on meds doesn't mean that they're all on them for good reasons. It would be irrational to ignore what doctors and drug companies offer, but viewing their recommendations with a healthy amount of skepticism is rational enough, I would have thought.



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01 Dec 2014, 9:01 am

quaker wrote:
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I am curious to hear from people who practice meditation on a regular basis, as I hear latest developments in neuroscience is saying we can literally refire and wire new nural pathways and radically restructure our brains.

Personally speaking I have experienced this to some very small degree through channelling my obsessionality from mindless activity into regular mindfulness practice.

I don't practice meditation to reach enlightenment, just to be able to reduce my susceptibility to depression and be more present to my deeper desires and interests.

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I have practiced Buddhism for several years and have meditated on and off during that time. I've found that when I'm meditating regularly I'm a happier and much less neurotic person. Then something happens and I won't meditate for a few days and it reverses surprisingly quickly.


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01 Dec 2014, 9:40 am

Thanks nuttyengineer.



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29 May 2015, 5:36 pm

I'm doing the experiment on myself.