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Do you like people first language?
Yes 13%  13%  [ 6 ]
No 33%  33%  [ 15 ]
I don't care 42%  42%  [ 19 ]
What's people first language? 11%  11%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 45

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16 Dec 2014, 4:08 pm

It's more of an issue in the stigmatizing of people with mental health problems. Psychiatric survivors in the 1980s (and perhaps earlier) pointed out the dehumanizing effect of labels such as describing someone as
"a depressive" or "a schizophrenic" - rather than someone with a medical condition ("person who is currently experiencing episodes of depression").

The dehumanisation of "mental patients" became steadily recognised in the social sciences from the 1970s, particularly with the ground-breaking work of Erving Goffman and his books on marginalised and "stigmatised identities".

More recently there has been a dissemination of the importance of language as studies have accumulated on subjects such as identity politics, disability politics (Wikipedia covers the basics).

Language matters, because it symbolically represents our understanding of the world and communicates our perceptions (and unconscious perceptions) which are partly determined by culture. Notably, second wave feminism changed the language early on, making it eventually unacceptable to refer to women as girls. This was not about words but perceptions.

For me, I am a person with autism. It's a matter of choice. That's mine. But if you say "I'm autistic" that's fine with me. I don't think it's a lesser self-description, it's just a different self-perception. Am totally cool with it...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_stigma



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16 Dec 2014, 8:49 pm

If someone needs to use person first language to remind themselves that you're a person, something's wrong with them. 8O


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16 Dec 2014, 8:56 pm

lol you think I forgot that I'm a person!



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16 Dec 2014, 9:01 pm

B19 wrote:
lol you think I forgot that I'm a person!



I'm viewing it from a perspective of someone else (non autistic\ disabled) insisting on person first language for disabled people. People to whom the label applies obviously have the right to identify any way they want.

To me, a non disabled person insisting on person first language for disabled people sounds like they are having to constantly remind themselves that disabled people ARE people....


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16 Dec 2014, 9:02 pm

Adamantium wrote:
I very strongly, deeply and passionately don't give a damn about this issue.

I can see a bit of merit in both sides, but think each uses bogus and largely irrelevant and uninteresting arguments to make out the other side as terrible in some way. When people get really heated about this, it usually seems more about group identity than anything else. Blech.

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This. Why can't we all just get along?


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16 Dec 2014, 9:13 pm

Yes. Live and let live and mutal tolerance on this one. It's minor in the whole scheme of things as I see it.



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17 Dec 2014, 1:52 am

I identify as autistic my autism does degine in in ways and I love this

http://autismmythbusters.com/general-pu ... -language/


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