Seriously, would you say you're an Introvert or an Extravert

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18 Jan 2015, 4:46 am

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It is at the discretion of universities who can teach, depending on competency in any given field, and I have known people to teach with only bachelor degrees (though this is rare). It is not uncommon now for people who have top marks to go straight from a bachelors degree to doctoral programmes, if the faculty heads approve. In my time, the six years spent fulfilling bachelors and masters requirements, particularly if the candidate had other qualifications, as I did, and an academically excellent record, was not an unusual background for lecturers.

My own view is that all new psychology students would be much advantaged by doing papers in philosophy of science first, so that they get a solid grounding in evaluating claims made by academic psychology in its currently reductionist form. It would lead ultimately to better quality research and perhaps some progress on the sorely needed meta-perspectives.


Okay, teaching is definitely different outside the U.S. then. You generally cannot get an academic job at a 4-year university without a PhD, though certain subjects seem to be more lenient (psychology is definitely not one of them though). I've also heard some who teach at community colleges here aren't required to have doctorate degrees. (But the most we can do with a bachelors is assisting a professor. My school allows it for class credit, but I don't even think most allow undergraduates to do that. Generally only Masters students are teacher's assistants.) As for going straight from BA/BS to a doctoral program, it's pretty much the same here; you'll find more PhD programs that offer terminal Masters degrees than programs that offer them separately (which I personally found surprising).

Yes I got that idea from your previous posts, that your interests really seem to lie more in philosophy than what many may consider "traditional" psychology. I don't know about philosophy, but I do believe schools here actually do something similar to what you're saying - for example, my university requires a research literacy class (plus methods of psychology) and I know of many others that do as well. For the schools that don't offer something like those (I'm not aware of many that don't require at least one of those), evaluating claims seems to be addressed in a typical introductory class, but obviously not in a very in depth manner.


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18 Jan 2015, 4:09 pm

I'll have to say that I am an introvert. I am quiet at most times, and when I have a conversation with someone, I would often have a hard time coming up with things to say.


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19 Jan 2015, 5:33 am

I have always thought of myself as an introvert. I prefer small groups over large groups and I have
no problem being by myself from lengthy periods of time.

It is conventional wisdom that Autism is being widely overdiagnosed because people who are "just" introverts are being mistakenly diagnosed. I think it might be the other way around in that introversion or a least introversion in a lot of people is being caused by neurology or Executive functioning, sensory etc. While we describe difficulties with in person to person communication on many of us post multiple times a day on WP a forum with massive amount of people.


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19 Jan 2015, 11:45 am

Jezebel wrote:
B19 wrote:
It is at the discretion of universities who can teach, depending on competency in any given field, and I have known people to teach with only bachelor degrees (though this is rare). It is not uncommon now for people who have top marks to go straight from a bachelors degree to doctoral programmes, if the faculty heads approve. In my time, the six years spent fulfilling bachelors and masters requirements, particularly if the candidate had other qualifications, as I did, and an academically excellent record, was not an unusual background for lecturers.

My own view is that all new psychology students would be much advantaged by doing papers in philosophy of science first, so that they get a solid grounding in evaluating claims made by academic psychology in its currently reductionist form. It would lead ultimately to better quality research and perhaps some progress on the sorely needed meta-perspectives.


Okay, teaching is definitely different outside the U.S. then. You generally cannot get an academic job at a 4-year university without a PhD, though certain subjects seem to be more lenient (psychology is definitely not one of them though). I've also heard some who teach at community colleges here aren't required to have doctorate degrees. (But the most we can do with a bachelors is assisting a professor. My school allows it for class credit, but I don't even think most allow undergraduates to do that. Generally only Masters students are teacher's assistants.) As for going straight from BA/BS to a doctoral program, it's pretty much the same here; you'll find more PhD programs that offer terminal Masters degrees than programs that offer them separately (which I personally found surprising).

Yes I got that idea from your previous posts, that your interests really seem to lie more in philosophy than what many may consider "traditional" psychology. I don't know about philosophy, but I do believe schools here actually do something similar to what you're saying - for example, my university requires a research literacy class (plus methods of psychology) and I know of many others that do as well. For the schools that don't offer something like those (I'm not aware of many that don't require at least one of those), evaluating claims seems to be addressed in a typical introductory class, but obviously not in a very in depth manner.


I think I can explain the "you'll find more PhD programs that offer terminal Masters degrees than programs that offer them separately" situation that you describe. Most PhD programs are set up so that incoming graduate students have at least a Bachelor's degree under their belt (there can be exceptions for certain foreign applicants). The schools then subject the students to varying qualification exams to see where they land. In my field (chemistry), those who make it roughly halfway through the program are awarded the Masters degree if they fail to get accepted on further on the PhD track. The students still have to complete their research project, write a dissertation on it and defend it in front of their committee members to receive it though. The main difference is that the amount of research required is much lower and so is the amount of time needed to finish it. Because so many of the PhD institutions offer the Masters track as part of their PhD track, it cuts down on schools that would offer the Masters as a terminal degree. Sometimes though the Masters only schools have better one on one training than in the larger institutions, leading to a higher quality education overall. Many chemists go directly from Bachelor's to the PhD without ever having the Masters. In the end, it is the highest degree that gets looked at the most when applying for work (teaching or otherwise).

As for teaching at universities, you often do need to have a PhD to teach in the field of study. The exceptions (in chemistry) are for lab instructors and lab coordinators, who can usually qualify with just a Masters in Science. Community colleges run the gambit, some require the teachers to have a degree at least one level higher than what degrees the schools can grant. I have heard of some that use Associates-degreed instructors (which I do not approve of for teaching at that level). So if the school gives Associates degrees, the teachers should need at minimum a Bachelor's degree. Most require more that that (usually a Masters), but it just depends upon the school and the state requirements.

Sometimes life can throw you a curve-ball. One of my cousins graduated with a Masters in psychology twenty years ago, but could not find work with it at the time. He learned that he needed the PhD for what he wanted to do with it (open his own clinic), which was just not in the cards for him. So he went back to college and is now a relatively-happy computer programmer for a large company.



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19 Jan 2015, 2:00 pm

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I think I can explain the "you'll find more PhD programs that offer terminal Masters degrees than programs that offer them separately" situation that you describe. Most PhD programs are set up so that incoming graduate students have at least a Bachelor's degree under their belt (there can be exceptions for certain foreign applicants). The schools then subject the students to varying qualification exams to see where they land. In my field (chemistry), those who make it roughly halfway through the program are awarded the Masters degree if they fail to get accepted on further on the PhD track. The students still have to complete their research project, write a dissertation on it and defend it in front of their committee members to receive it though. The main difference is that the amount of research required is much lower and so is the amount of time needed to finish it. Because so many of the PhD institutions offer the Masters track as part of their PhD track, it cuts down on schools that would offer the Masters as a terminal degree. Sometimes though the Masters only schools have better one on one training than in the larger institutions, leading to a higher quality education overall. Many chemists go directly from Bachelor's to the PhD without ever having the Masters. In the end, it is the highest degree that gets looked at the most when applying for work (teaching or otherwise).

As for teaching at universities, you often do need to have a PhD to teach in the field of study. The exceptions (in chemistry) are for lab instructors and lab coordinators, who can usually qualify with just a Masters in Science. Community colleges run the gambit, some require the teachers to have a degree at least one level higher than what degrees the schools can grant. I have heard of some that use Associates-degreed instructors (which I do not approve of for teaching at that level). So if the school gives Associates degrees, the teachers should need at minimum a Bachelor's degree. Most require more that that (usually a Masters), but it just depends upon the school and the state requirements.

Sometimes life can throw you a curve-ball. One of my cousins graduated with a Masters in psychology twenty years ago, but could not find work with it at the time. He learned that he needed the PhD for what he wanted to do with it (open his own clinic), which was just not in the cards for him. So he went back to college and is now a relatively-happy computer programmer for a large company.


Yeah, I'm aware of how the PhD programs offering terminal Masters degrees work, I just found it surprising when I was originally looking into them. These programs still seem to be rather new; for example, ten years ago, I would've had to apply to a Masters before the PhD program. :P Most of the psychology programs actually seem to be rather lenient with awarding the Masters degrees... From the ones I've looked at, you only need to complete a Masters thesis to get it, so if you've done previous research prior to entering the program, technically, you could probably "earn" your Masters in a year or less.

I've never heard of anyone with an associates teaching, thankfully. I definitely don't agree with that either. 8O


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19 Jan 2015, 2:12 pm

I'm the 'introverted extravert'.

I hate crowds and busy places and my personality is quite introverted. I find it very difficult to follow group discussions or to fit in groups of people, it drains me. I tend to stick to myself but I enjoy discussing or working together one on one with other motivated people. I also excel in the leadership position in group projects and do not mind public speaking ( as I focus solely on my subject and the crowd becomes invisible to me ). These give me more energy and motivation to continue pursuing my area of study.

Essentially in my area of interest I am extraverted because I know exactly what I talk about and what I want, but in common social interaction I am introverted because I find it difficult to follow social cues and I am terrible at small talk.



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19 Jan 2015, 4:35 pm

I am an introvert.


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19 Jan 2015, 4:36 pm

on WP I'm an extrovert. :alien:



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19 Jan 2015, 6:23 pm

Definitely an introvert. I may like talking to people sometimes, but it exhausts me.


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20 Jan 2015, 2:55 am

It really does depend. Sometimes, I will be feeling really great for some reason and I will be extroverted for the day. Other days (most days), I will be introverted and not talky-talky.



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20 Jan 2015, 1:35 pm

Somewhat extrovert - somewhat introvert. But more introvert than extrovert.


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