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15 Feb 2015, 11:39 pm

I have spent so much money on supplements and alternatives for my SLE it's not funny. The thing is, when people are really sick (and autism isn't sick), we really will try everything to find something to make us feel better. Against all logic we will try anything, simply because it sucks to be sick. What sucks the most about people who sell crap like this is they are totally preying on the sick and weak. Evil, evil, evil.

If the spritz sorts out the autism let us know. I feel less autistic when I smile, too, but honestly I'd rather frown and spritz. 8)



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16 Feb 2015, 9:50 am

Raleigh wrote:
The ingredients list:

Condensed seawater
Magnesium Chloride
Potassium Chloride
Sodium Chloride
Selenium
Boron
Minerals & trace elements of seawater

Btw, it's a topical spray.

Without the advice of someone qualified (Like a doctor.), I certainly wouldn't take something in which three major ingredients end with "chloride".



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16 Feb 2015, 10:26 am

I'll tell you what cures Autism.

I forgot...



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16 Feb 2015, 11:56 am

I'm not sure how good a topical treatment of magnesium would be but it's definitely used as a supplement alongside vitamin B6 to treat some symptoms: Vitamin B6 & Magnesium Effective Autism Treatment Effectiveness probably depends on your starting magnesium levels though



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16 Feb 2015, 12:25 pm

researchovereverything wrote:
I'm not sure how good a topical treatment of magnesium would be but it's definitely used as a supplement alongside vitamin B6 to treat some symptoms: Vitamin B6 & Magnesium Effective Autism Treatment Effectiveness probably depends on your starting magnesium levels though


I would be truly amazed if spraying a liquid with some magnesium mixed in it would provide anything close to the same levels of magnesium taken in the studies.



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16 Feb 2015, 5:49 pm

Tollorin wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
The ingredients list:

Condensed seawater
Magnesium Chloride
Potassium Chloride
Sodium Chloride
Selenium
Boron
Minerals & trace elements of seawater

Btw, it's a topical spray.

Without the advice of someone qualified (Like a doctor.), I certainly wouldn't take something in which three major ingredients end with "chloride".


Chemistry is our friend. Salt is sodium chloride. :)



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16 Feb 2015, 7:24 pm

ominous wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
The ingredients list:

Condensed seawater
Magnesium Chloride
Potassium Chloride
Sodium Chloride
Selenium
Boron
Minerals & trace elements of seawater

Btw, it's a topical spray.

Without the advice of someone qualified (Like a doctor.), I certainly wouldn't take something in which three major ingredients end with "chloride".


Chemistry is our friend. Salt is sodium chloride. :)
while Selenium is the active element in a plant called "Loco Weed". Look it up.



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16 Feb 2015, 9:41 pm

eric76 wrote:
researchovereverything wrote:
I'm not sure how good a topical treatment of magnesium would be but it's definitely used as a supplement alongside vitamin B6 to treat some symptoms: Vitamin B6 & Magnesium Effective Autism Treatment Effectiveness probably depends on your starting magnesium levels though


I would be truly amazed if spraying a liquid with some magnesium mixed in it would provide anything close to the same levels of magnesium taken in the studies.

There's a limit to how much magnesium you can take orally because it leads to diarrhea, and you can dissolve a ridiculous amount of MgCl in water (543 g/L) -- it ends up like a syrup and feels like oil between your fingers. With a really high osmotic gradient like that you might conceivably get a significant amount into the blood transdermally.

I've used this spray stuff (bought dry MgCl and mixed it with water myself) and I've been surprised that I can feel it a few minutes after I spray it on my back (for stiff muscles). I find magnesium supplements mentally relaxing (probably due to the mild NMDA blocking effect) and it's not some borderline "I think I feel something, maybe..." effect that's lost in the noise. It's about the same as 0.25mg of Xanax, or a small intranasal dose of buprenorpine.



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16 Feb 2015, 10:21 pm

As far as the 1 million uses for the stuff on the label -- there's a grain of truth for several that I can see. They're not lying so much as exaggerating and using really facile reasoning.

I.e. People are given IV's with magnesium sometimes after a heart attack, because magnesium relaxes heart muscles. That's because magnesium relaxes all muscles. That makes it good (or "good") for just about anything involving muscles: cramps, a stiff back, toss in fibromyalgia because why not, cerebral palsey, and the like.

And, since blood vessels are lined with smooth muscle they'll relax, too and expand, which reduces blood pressure. Reduced blood pressure puts less of a load on the heart. So it's yet again "good for the heart." Since that increases circulation, which would include the brain, then "it's good for dementia" (reality: only if it's due to obstruction of blood flow), and "Alzheimer's" ('cus more blood flow would have to help at least a little, right? -- that's so close to a lie it's ridiculous, unless there's there's some other effect I haven't heard of).

Magnesium is also known to be psychologically relaxing. The proposed mechanism is a mild blocking of NMDA receptors. That's the receptor that ketamine (sometimes used as a general anesthetic) blocks. NMDA antagonists are known to reduce seizure threshold, so it's "good for epilepsy." I wouldn't bet my safety on that alone.

Magnesium is also involved in a various chemical reactions (I think the enzymes that catalyze reactions use it) involved in the production of energy. So, of course, the label says, "good for eNeRgY!!" but that's only likely if you're low on Mg. If you're tired because you have diabetes or anything else other than Mg deficiency then it's not likely to do much.



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17 Feb 2015, 2:48 am

Thanks, Apple_in_my_Eye and others for the interesting information. I've been finding the transdermal spray very effective. I guess it's much the same as using Epsom salts but in a more convenient form. It really does make a difference to pain and stiffness in the joints.
The jury's still out on the autism.


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