sally anne test

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If Sally was away when Anne put the marble into the box then she wouldn't know it was in the box so she must have checked the basket. Think before you "duh".

Soooo much internalised ableism with the discussion of low functioning and high functioning in this thread. Good crisps. :\

As ASPartofme pointed out (and I should have known this anyway!), most adult people with autism would have answered the question "correctly."

As another poster pointed out, the test is geared towards PRE-SCHOOL CHILDREN.

I was trolling the guy because he trolled us, Ms. Social Justice Warrior. You missed the witty interplay there.

Then I wonder why an adult with autism might choose the wrong answer, and insist that the answer he chose is the obvious choice ... lack of "Theory of Mind"?

Bro of course I have a theory of mind. I put myself in other peoples shoes. I wear my mom and brothers shoes all the time.

I wrote Autistic Adults would get it more often then Autistic children not that all ASD Adults would get it. Lack of Theory of Mind is certainly one reason an Adult Autistic might get it wrong. Another reason might be that the adult was not paying attention to the question because he or she was ruminating about their special interest or something they were anxious about.

Or because the test is dead boring. I've watched it on YouTube and I have trouble following what the therapist/shrink is saying because I take no interest in the "story" they present. Therefore the details of which doll is which and which of them have a box and which a basket are details I don't catch easily, it just seems like pointless very boring details, so I don't pay attention to them, much like filler stuff in fiction. And that's me in my 30's!

While I don't have trouble understanding that the doll that leaves thinks the marble is where she left it, I do have trouble paying sufficiently attention, and even more so when it doesn't interest me, and even more so when I find it directly boring, which I do the Sally Anne test.

If I had been tested with that one, I might have just realized that they were asking about the marble and answered as to where it was, not where the doll would think it was.

I don't know if that is down to Asperger's or if it's related to something on the ADD spectrum, but either way, it would be a problem for me in any test like that.

I wonder if aspie children would fare better on that test if it was adapted to their specific interests...

I failed because I didn't have subconscious sally perspective taking nor did I consciously activate theory of mind, I just answered where I saw the marble from the my perspective.

No, they didn't.

They failed the "sarcasm detection test". This indicates that they have a poorly developed theory of mind.

I did wonder if it were supposed to be some sort of joke or whatever. But then I thought there really are some people out there who do fail the sallyanne test, so I couldn't be sure. Sarcasm isn't always easy to recognise when reading from text written by someone you have never met before.

Fair enough. It's just that I always do deadpan sarcasm so I'm used to seeing it without reference to vocal inflections. I always annoy people by doing sarcasm in a totally straight voice.

Eh- I "failed " the sally anne test when I read about it - but I dont think that means I have poor theory of mind- because I think I failed it because of all the information I had to keep in my head (working memory) from simply reading it. I had to keep track of who sally and anne were, which one left, where the marble is, where the marble was, etc. This is much harder if you are simply reading about the test than seeing it in action. That is not how the test is normally given to children. I have seen "equivalent versions" of the test in movies/TV shows- where say, someone steals something from someone's drawer - and you know they are going to go looking for it there. I would say I had this "TOM capability" for as long as I can remember. If you can predict how someone will act in a TV show, you would pass the Sally Anne if it were given as it is normally given- which is to have two dolls on the table exchange in a story dialogue (like characters in a show) and then have anne move the marble when sally is out.