Are there different kinds of Aspies?

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17 Mar 2007, 8:38 pm

Asperger's Syndrome has a light side and a dark side. Light Aspies are pleasant, optimistic, and work to better the universe. Dark Aspies, like my friend Darth Echolalia, have let their negativity consume them, and create only pain and sorrow.

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17 Mar 2007, 8:47 pm

Which is better?

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17 Mar 2007, 8:50 pm

I don't know. Dark Aspies are only called that because they spend most of their time in their parents' basements, so they rarely see sunlight.

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17 Mar 2007, 9:01 pm

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you can either have low, medium or high, functioning aspergers i think

I think your reading stuff into a misunderstanding of autistic nomenclature. ALL Aspies are high functioning. I guess some aren't as smart as others, but that is true of everyone.

your statement is false. all people with aspergers are not geniuses, any co morbid disorders like mental retardation of any kind can be an influence, that can altimatley affect any aspergers you might have.

to my understanding: AS people have average--above IQ... so no, not all are genuises... and so i guess that does qualify as high functioning.

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17 Mar 2007, 9:17 pm

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you can either have low, medium or high, functioning aspergers i think

I think your reading stuff into a misunderstanding of autistic nomenclature. ALL Aspies are high functioning. I guess some aren't as smart as others, but that is true of everyone.

to my understanding: AS people have average--above IQ... so no, not all are genuises

not everyone who has aspergers has a normal IQ. i knew someone with mild MR that had aspergers, wich would go back to what i said in the first place. you can have mild, medium or severe aspergers. not just dependent on your IQ.

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17 Mar 2007, 9:21 pm

Sedaka wrote:

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you can either have low, medium or high, functioning aspergers i think

I think your reading stuff into a misunderstanding of autistic nomenclature. ALL Aspies are high functioning. I guess some aren't as smart as others, but that is true of everyone.

to my understanding: AS people have average--above IQ... so no, not all are genuises... and so i guess that does qualify as high functioning.

WOW richard, thanks for proving an earlier point! You are WRONG!! !! ! It is FALSE that "all people with aspergers are not geniuses"! Some ARE! Several on this forum clearly fit the definition! And to THINK I wrote about that popular mistake only a few days ago. 8-)

Mental retardation is *****SPECIFICALLY***** excluded from the DSM! They can NOT have any significant mental debilitation outside of social. Such debilitation IS required for a diagnosis of MR! ANYWAY, I DID say "I guess some aren't as smart as others, but that is true of everyone."!

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17 Mar 2007, 9:24 pm

Actually high IQ isn't a requirement for Aspergers diagnosis. Most of us do have high IQ, but not all do.

Having meet a number of Aspies I am surprised at how vastly different we are from one another. It's not just the ability or functioning level, but also in personality. Some Aspies you couldn't get to yelp if you poked them with a stick and other Aspies you can't get to shut up. Some are very socialable; some are scared of their own shadow.

It's kinda like Werbert said. The Light Aspies are the ones you can talk to face to face and they don't hide in their parents basement. The dark Aspies I haven't really met much of because, well, they are hiding in their basement. I think Light Aspies are the nerds you see being estatic in your local observatory or museum. Some of the Light Aspies are probably doctors, particularly specialists. I wonder if they go home and stim after a hard day at the office. Or is golfing suppose to be a form of stimming?

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17 Mar 2007, 9:33 pm

SteveK wrote:

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SteveK wrote:

richardbenson wrote:

you can either have low, medium or high, functioning aspergers i think

I think your reading stuff into a misunderstanding of autistic nomenclature. ALL Aspies are high functioning. I guess some aren't as smart as others, but that is true of everyone.

to my understanding: AS people have average--above IQ... so no, not all are genuises... and so i guess that does qualify as high functioning.

no, you are wrong. MR is a dx in the DSM

317. mild MR
318 modest MR
318.1 severe MR
318.2 profound MR
319. MR severity unspecified

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17 Mar 2007, 10:09 pm

richardbenson wrote:

SteveK wrote:

Sedaka wrote:

richardbenson wrote:

SteveK wrote:

richardbenson wrote:

you can either have low, medium or high, functioning aspergers i think

I think your reading stuff into a misunderstanding of autistic nomenclature. ALL Aspies are high functioning. I guess some aren't as smart as others, but that is true of everyone.

to my understanding: AS people have average--above IQ... so no, not all are genuises... and so i guess that does qualify as high functioning.

no, you are wrong. MR is a dx in the DSM

317. mild MR
318 modest MR
318.1 severe MR
318.2 profound MR
319. MR severity unspecified

***SO WHAT***??? I never said MR wasn't a valid Diagnosis. I just said AS isn't a diagnosis that allows MR as a diagnosis!

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Asperger's Disorder
Asperger Syndrome is a neurobiological disorder named after the Viennese physician, Hans Asperger, who in 1944 published a research paper which described a pattern of behaviors in several young boys who had normal intelligence and language development, but who also exhibited autistic-like behaviors and marked deficiencies in social and communication skills. It wasn't until 1994 that Asperger Syndrome was recognised a a unique disorder.

Qualitative impairment in social interaction with at least two demonstrations of impaired social interaction. The person:

Shows a marked inability to regulate social interaction by using multiple non-verbal behaviors such as body posture and gestures, eye contact and facial expression.

Doesn't develop peer relationships that are appropriate to the developmental level.

Doesn't seek to share achievements, interests or pleasure with others.

Lacks social or emotional reciprocity.

Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:

Preoccupation with abnormal (in focus or intensity) interests that are restricted and stereotyped (such as spinning things).

Rigidly sticks to routines or rituals that don't appear to have a function.

Has stereotyped, repetitive motor mannerisms (such as hand flapping).

Persistently preoccupied with parts of objects.

The symptoms cause clinically important impairment in social, occupational or personal functioning.

There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years). <<<BTW That USED to be 2YEARS!

There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self-help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction), and curiosity about the environment in childhood.

The patient doesn't fulfill criteria for Schizophrenia or another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder.

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17 Mar 2007, 10:18 pm

you said MR was specfically exluded from the DSM. wich it is not. 2, most people with aspergers appear normal, because of language. thats it, anyone who has a co morbid, such as MR or anything else means the person would seem much lower functioning than just a normal IQ and aspergers. (meaning its only high functioning) accoring to you. there are severiteys to aspergers.

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17 Mar 2007, 10:28 pm

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WOW, I had earlier heard you had to be smart to be AS, but the DSM says no clinically significant impairment. THAT is what I say, and everyone talks like I am claiming you have to be a genius. FAR FROM IT! You CAN be low average in intelligence and still have AS. That is STILL a far cry from retardation though. Your IQ would have to be like 50 points higher to be gifted, and even higher to be genius! At the LOWEST level, it would STILL have to be several points lower to START approaching MR! I have YET to see anyone here claiming an IQ that low.

BTW the DSM definition is:(I highlighted parts that obviously conflict with AS!)

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Mental retardation can be caused by any condition which impairs development of the brain before birth, during birth, or in the childhood years. Several hundred causes have been discovered, but in about one-third of the people affected, the cause remains unknown. The three major known causes of mental retardation are the genetic conditions of Down Syndrome, Fragile X, and Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, the result of alcohol consumption during pregnancy.

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Mental Retardation
According to the American Association on Mental Retardation (AAMR), an individual is considered to have mental retardation based on the following three criteria:

Intellectual functioning level (IQ) is below 70-75.
Significant limitations exist in two or more adaptive skill areas and the condition is present from childhood (defined as age 18 or less.).

The person's intellectual functioning is markedly below average (IQ of 70 or less on a standard, individually administered test).

In 2 or more of the following areas, the patient has more trouble functioning than would be expected for age and cultural group:

Communication
Self-care
Home living
Social and interpersonal skills
Using community resources
Self-direction
Academic ability
Work
Free time
Health
Safety

Starts before age 18.

Associated Features:

Under developed motor skills
Under developed language skills
Under developed self-help skills
Developing at a far slower rate than the child's peers.

Differential Diagnosis:

Some disorders have similar or even the same symptoms. The clinician, therefore, in his/her diagnostic attempt, has to differentiate against the following disorders which need to be ruled out to establish a precise diagnosis.

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17 Mar 2007, 10:35 pm

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Mental retardation is *****SPECIFICALLY***** excluded from the DSM!

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17 Mar 2007, 10:43 pm

i like how your not answering me dude. talk about owned, next time dont step to this. unless you feel like getting owned again.

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17 Mar 2007, 10:54 pm

All aspies are different.

We are not the same race or breed, everyone is a human being. AS is just part of us, not who we are.

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17 Mar 2007, 11:20 pm

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i like how your not answering me dude. talk about owned, next time dont step to this. unless you feel like getting owned again.

Are you talking to me? WHAT question? What do you mean "owned"? Your post, which I quoted in its entirety here, is the FIRST reference to it! Frankly, I just have a problem with whatever language you're using.

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17 Mar 2007, 11:23 pm

SteveK wrote:

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i like how your not answering me dude. talk about owned, next time dont step to this. unless you feel like getting owned again.

the first problem i have is you said that mental retardation was "specically excluded" from the DSM. that isnt true. please answer that, or try to. first before you try to answer any of my other questions

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