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16 Mar 2015, 3:59 am

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Protogenoi wrote:
Here is a more obvious or extreme example: I had a friend in my last year of elementary school who lived with his grandmother. After his mother left his father, his mother never contacted him again. His father left 2 years later and never contacted him again. My friend never received any contact from them again. He got no birthday cards, no presents, no phone calls, and no visits.
Both of his parents ostracized him and his grandmother and went on to form new families and he wasn't apart of either.
He was also the only kid to be bullied more than me at school, so he had it very rough. He was a talented artist, but that talent went to waste junior year in highschool when he left this world.


It's stories like this that make me sick!


I wouldn't be surprised if he went on to do some serious self-harming - suicide attempts, cutting etc. Being treated in this way by your parents is to be devalued and dehumanised in a really dreadful way. It's very hard for these adult children to recover. Some express it in very violent behaviour to others; some internalise it in very violent behaviour to themselves. Other forms of severe child abuse can lead to the parents facing criminal charges; this too is an extreme form of child abuse, and the victim has no recourse at all, the perpetrators face no sanctions. It saddens me greatly to see people in this situation, and I have seen them. It rarely ends well. Many go on to try to numb the pain with the big heavy narcotics which leads to addiction and then the usual disaster of self-destruction, prison or death etc unless they have some transformative experience that acts as a turning point - have seen a few make outstanding recoveries in NA, but they are a very small minority.


When I said, "he left this world" I meant he killed himself... :(


Utterly tragic. Completely avoidable. Which makes it even more utterly tragic :(



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16 Mar 2015, 9:02 am

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I wonder how many of us are victims of ostracistic acts sometime in our lives. I find myself asking " Am I a victim of asperger's of a victim of ostracism because of aspergers." .


I was ostracized at a series of elementary schools and never understood why. I thought they hated me because I had no interest in sports or celebrities but knew more than the teachers about ancient Egypt and geology. I suppose it was a kind of defense against being rejected, but I thought they just didn't like smart people.

The worst was the day in high school when several dozen people out of a small community (~200) ostracized me in the most severe way. They refused to speak to me at all. They did not acknowledge my presence. They left a room when I entered it. One of them was one of the very few people in that community I had been friends with. I never understood what had happened.

My lack of social skill must have contributed to the situation, but the thing had a life of its own. I was "tried in absentia" for wrongs I was unaware of committing. Nothing I was supposed to have done to them, unintentionally, was anything like as bad as what they did to me intentionally.



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16 Mar 2015, 9:07 am

I went through almost identical stuff, for almost identical reasons, when I was a kid.



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16 Mar 2015, 9:17 am

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I went through almost identical stuff, for almost identical reasons, when I was a kid.


It's good to be grown up, isn't it? :D

I am glad you made it through. You are such a positive presence here.



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16 Mar 2015, 9:20 am

Yep....I feel fortunate that I got through the first 18 years of my life. There were some harrowing times.

The last 36 years, despite all my "adult difficulties" (and they've been considerable at times), have--by and large--been much easier.

I'm glad you're in a relatively decent "place" as well. You know what you're about, in essence.



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16 Mar 2015, 3:50 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Yep....I feel fortunate that I got through the first 18 years of my life. There were some harrowing times.

The last 36 years, despite all my "adult difficulties" (and they've been considerable at times), have--by and large--been much easier.

I'm glad you're in a relatively decent "place" as well. You know what you're about, in essence.


The people who say "school years are the best years of your life" obviously aren't on the spectrum, that's for sure. Best years? Are they mad?



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16 Mar 2015, 4:49 pm

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The people who say "school years are the best years of your life" obviously aren't on the spectrum, that's for sure. Best years? Are they mad?

:D :D :D :D :D


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