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do you have delusional thoughts or beliefs?
Yes, and I am diagnosed with Asperger's. 30%  30%  [ 15 ]
Yes, and I am self-diagnosed with Asperger's. 24%  24%  [ 12 ]
Yes, and I am not sure if I have Asperger's or not. 6%  6%  [ 3 ]
Yes, and I am neurotypical. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
No, and I am diagnosed with Asperger's. 20%  20%  [ 10 ]
No, and I am self-diagnosed with Asperger's. 18%  18%  [ 9 ]
No, and I am not sure if I have Asperger's or not. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
No, and I am neurotypical. 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 50

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25 Mar 2007, 2:53 pm

Chimaera1618 wrote:
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Well part of the problem is that people with delusional thinking can't always tell when it's delusional. Sometimes my reality testing remains intact (even if I still believe the delusion, I am able to see it is most likely a delusion) and sometimes it doesn't-- I can't even see that it is delusional, AND I believe it.


Absolutely agree.

Nobody really knows what's real, anyway. The general understanding of reality just comes from whatever belief the majority of people have agreed upon. Seven hundred years ago, everyone agreed that the earth was flat. That doesn't make it true, butI bet anyone who believed otherwise would have been considered delusional. People with "delusional" thinking just happen to disagree with the majority.
Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

It would be better if you drew your view from a source other than the sleeve of an Isis record.



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25 Mar 2007, 3:23 pm

RaoulDuke wrote:
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Well part of the problem is that people with delusional thinking can't always tell when it's delusional. Sometimes my reality testing remains intact (even if I still believe the delusion, I am able to see it is most likely a delusion) and sometimes it doesn't-- I can't even see that it is delusional, AND I believe it.


Absolutely agree.

Nobody really knows what's real, anyway. The general understanding of reality just comes from whatever belief the majority of people have agreed upon. Seven hundred years ago, everyone agreed that the earth was flat. That doesn't make it true, butI bet anyone who believed otherwise would have been considered delusional. People with "delusional" thinking just happen to disagree with the majority.
Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

It would be better if you drew your view from a source other than the sleeve of an Isis record.


:? I don't understand what you're referring to.



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25 Mar 2007, 3:32 pm

RaoulDuke wrote:
Chimaera1618 wrote:
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Well part of the problem is that people with delusional thinking can't always tell when it's delusional. Sometimes my reality testing remains intact (even if I still believe the delusion, I am able to see it is most likely a delusion) and sometimes it doesn't-- I can't even see that it is delusional, AND I believe it.


Absolutely agree.

Nobody really knows what's real, anyway. The general understanding of reality just comes from whatever belief the majority of people have agreed upon. Seven hundred years ago, everyone agreed that the earth was flat. That doesn't make it true, butI bet anyone who believed otherwise would have been considered delusional. People with "delusional" thinking just happen to disagree with the majority.
Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

It would be better if you drew your view from a source other than the sleeve of an Isis record.

Who are Isis? Some group who nicked the name of an Egyptian goddess, I guess. Should I have heard of them?
I've certainly heard of Hassan-i Sabbah.


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25 Mar 2007, 3:41 pm

"Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted" were the alleged last words of Hassan-i Sabbah.
You can read about it here: http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/ar ... d1562/pg1/

People have extracted all sorts of meaning from these words, and I don't believe that there is only one meaning to this or any other phrase.
The point is for each person to derive their own meaning from them and to benefit in their own way, not to get into petty debates about who said what where.

When I use this phrase, I'm referring to the wave/particle duality and what it means for our perception of reality. I'm talking about the infinite potency of an unobserved system in which all possibilities exist, yet none are manifested; where everything is permitted, yet nothing is necessarily true.

I really didn't mean for anyone to feel threatened by it.

I hope you have a beautiful day, Raoul. :)



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25 Mar 2007, 3:52 pm

Ah... so I eventually found the LA (as opposed to Brisbane) band called Isis. They even get a little footnote on the Hassan-i Sabbah page.


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25 Mar 2007, 4:37 pm

I have delusions(and hallucinations),but I'm Bipolar and PTSD along with High-Fuctioning Autism(HFA).


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25 Mar 2007, 5:19 pm

Interesting, the results are similar to the last delusional thinking poll I made last year.... if I remember about 60% said they had delusional thinking. Right now 56% are saying they do. And it's neat that it's falling pretty evenly between diagnosed and self-diagnosed. :) Very interesting!! 8)



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25 Mar 2007, 5:38 pm

I'm pretty sure all of my thoughts are delusional :P



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25 Mar 2007, 7:40 pm

I'm a very delusional thinker at times, depending on what time of the year it is. It started back in 1998, when I was dignosed with Depression and Psychosis. It used to be really bad, but it's gotten better over time. I've scared off certian people with those thoughts. I've never meant to, though.



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25 Mar 2007, 7:51 pm

I used to have some magical thinking as a kid--for example, I'd suddenly feel like the next three minutes or the next three days or whatever were extremely important for some unknown reason. The last time this happened was when I was in my early teens; so I assume I grew out of it along with childhood.


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25 Mar 2007, 7:57 pm

Apatura wrote:
Do you have delusional thinking, i.e. do you ever think you are being watched (when it is very unlikely you could be watched), that you are being remotely monitored, that you are a pawn in a massive conspiracy (government or otherwise), that your existence has grandiose religious import, that your thoughts can be read or that thoughts can be inserted in your mind... or anything else delusional?

I do have a degree of delusional thinking and always have, as far back as I can remember.


Yes, all time one of these ideas passes for my mind.



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25 Mar 2007, 8:00 pm

Chimaera1618 wrote:
I'm pretty sure all of my thoughts are delusional :P


I agree.



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25 Mar 2007, 8:00 pm

SamuraiSaxen wrote:
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Do you have delusional thinking, i.e. do you ever think you are being watched (when it is very unlikely you could be watched), that you are being remotely monitored, that you are a pawn in a massive conspiracy (government or otherwise), that your existence has grandiose religious import, that your thoughts can be read or that thoughts can be inserted in your mind... or anything else delusional?

I do have a degree of delusional thinking and always have, as far back as I can remember.


Yes, all time one of these ideas passes for my mind.


They aren't delusions.



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25 Mar 2007, 8:27 pm

Remnant wrote:
SamuraiSaxen wrote:
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Do you have delusional thinking, i.e. do you ever think you are being watched (when it is very unlikely you could be watched), that you are being remotely monitored, that you are a pawn in a massive conspiracy (government or otherwise), that your existence has grandiose religious import, that your thoughts can be read or that thoughts can be inserted in your mind... or anything else delusional?

I do have a degree of delusional thinking and always have, as far back as I can remember.


Yes, all time one of these ideas passes for my mind.


They aren't delusions.


Thats why I joked about them in my post. The truth though is;

First, when our own govenrment spies on groups like "Grannies for Peace", thinking your being watched, whether you are or not, might be a smart thing to do.

Second, with all the research being performed concerning RFID, the day is coming when being paranoid about being monitored may also be a smart thing to do.

Third, we are all pawns of a conspiracy of one kind or another. It could be something as simple as being duped by advertising to believe something that is bad for you is actually good for you. If you arent aware that humans have been conspiring in one form or another to subjugate other humans since the dawn of time, than you are one dumb f**k.

Fourth, every human has grandoise religious importance. We are all pieces of a spiritual puzzle that isnt completed until every piece is where it should be. Therefore we all hold the key collectively.

As to the thoughts being read or changed thing, I wouldnt touch that with a ten foot woody. :)


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25 Mar 2007, 8:49 pm

What better way to horse us around and make us compliant? The things that they do to us can't go unnoticed, so instead of them being tools of manipulation, they educate us to see them as symptoms of a disease that we have.