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19 Jun 2015, 5:35 am

iliketrees, I do think you are overreacting just a little bit. I do that, too, sometimes. I also don't think you should feel guilty; you were trying to help, so if someone misread your intentions, that is their problem, not yours. Just say, "Ok, whatever, that's not what I was trying to do" and move on. For the OP, a misdiagnosis is possible and inattentive ADHD sounds logical. Doesn't mean he (the OP) can't be on the spectrum, of course, but it is something that might be helpful for him to consider.

For what it's worth, I don't hate you. I like you. I read topics on here more because I know you've replied to them and I like the things you have to say. You think about things, and I like that about you. :D

TO EVERYONE: All this misdiagnosis talk is somewhat off-topic and isn't very helpful to the OP's original issue, which is that he doesn't understand what certain Aspie traits are like for other Aspies. So maybe, everyone, instead of arguing over what someone said and how someone else read it, we should be discussing what our experiences are like when dealing with these different Aspie traits. Since autism is different in everyone, each of us will have different experiences, so let's talk about those.

I've read way too many argument posts about diagnosis, self-diagnosis and misdiagnosis recently, and it's starting to erode WP. CAN WE PLEASE DROP THIS AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE?


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19 Jun 2015, 5:54 am

Thank you jimmy... I like you too, you are nice. There are some very nice members here are you are one of them. I have a list in my head of posters I respect completely and check their replies. And you're also helpful, and genuinely so. I hope to be some day too. Maybe I could go without suggesting to stick paper up dickholes :| What he said struck far too close to home and put me in one of the annoying cycles of first extreme sadness and hopelessness then anger then... fear and hate for myself, really. I don't know how to write how much it hurt but my reaction probably sums it up.

WP does go through themes and unfortunately this fits with the current one that is dividing us. :| People have the strongest opinions about anything related to diagnosis. Sorry OP.



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19 Jun 2015, 6:11 am

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...extreme sadness and hopelessness then anger then... fear and hate for myself, really.


I know that cycle. I've been through that cycle too many times to count. I've gotten to the point that I don't say anything to anyone else when I'm angry; I go home and throw myself around my house until I feel better or until something on my body hurts enough that I can focus on that instead of my anger. Sometimes I think it would be healthier to speak up and not silence myself, but then when I do say something, I always end up regretting it because it just causes more trouble. But the anger is not really the big issue, at least not for me. The fear and hate for myself is the bigger issue. I'm trying not to feel that way.
It helps to tell myself that
1. it's ok if not everyone likes me. I don't have to be the good guy all the time. If someone doesn't like me, who cares? They can get their blood pressure up, not mine.
2. I am allowed to have an opinion/choice of style/odd item that I like even if someone else doesn't agree or doesn't approve. My feelings/choices/opinions are just as valid as anyone else's. (it took my therapist and I a year before I could agree that this is true, and I still don't often act on it)
3. Whatever emotion I'm feeling is valid and ok. If I'm angry, it's ok to be angry. If I'm sad, it's ok to be sad. The emotion isn't bad or wrong, and all emotions are always valid. Actions are another matter.
For me, remembering that I'm allowed to be a whole person even if it bothers other people sometimes helps to lessen the hate for myself.


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19 Jun 2015, 6:20 am

Yet another one of your brilliant pieces of advice. I'll screenshot it in case the mods delete all this for going wildly off topic. Just... thank you, for being so understanding.



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19 Jun 2015, 6:49 am

This thread needs a "Asperger's Syndrome has been completely removed as a diagnosis from the DSM ever since its version V came out" response.


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19 Jun 2015, 7:31 am

Thank you so much for your insights, it's been an intetesting read. Again my sincerest apologies for my lack of understanding, but hey that's the whole point of this post.

As for the possibility of misdiagnosis I too feel unsure about it. I have been diagnosed with ADD and longterm depression. Prior to this I had a bipolar diagnosis wich was replaced by the Aspergers.

I don't see myself as autistic, although lacking certain emotions. Such as pride and a traditional sense of an ego are lacking.
The way I experience pain also differs from most neurotypicals. But I do have problems with executive functioning, concentration and organizing. I have no sense of linear time or can recall wich order events took place.

The advice you have given so far has helped a lot since I have my girlfriend over this week I've tried it out and our relationship is getting much better.

Please feel free to share more of your experiances however trifled they may seem to you, they may help give me a better insight. Again thank you for your time.



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19 Jun 2015, 8:13 am

Please disreguard the previous post due to forum hickups.

Thank you so much for your insights, it's been an intetesting read. Again my sincerest apologies for my lack of understanding, but hey that's the whole point of this post.

As for the possibility of misdiagnosis I too feel unsure about it. I have been diagnosed with ADD and longterm depression. Prior to this I had a bipolar diagnosis wich was replaced by the Aspergers.

As for narrow interests well, exibit A I'm a furry. =^_^= if the icon didn’t tip you off, lol.

I don't see myself as autistic, although lacking certain emotions such as pride and a traditional sense of an ego makes me wonder. I sometimes zone out or go catatonic. (I would very much appreciate if anyone who has this could tell me about their experiences)

After social events I often withdraw for a week in near isolation and reemerge craving lots of social contact. This seems to go in a cycle.

When walking on stairs I often continue lifting my legs a step or two after the actual stairs are finished. When lifting objects I sometimes use to much force and flick the object up. When doing work it takes me 30 minnutes to get back to what I was doing or I might completely ignore my surroundings.

When given a task I often try to complete it despite personal injuries and will try to remove or destroy any obstacle in my way or push away anyone keeping me from completeing my task. (Example: carrying firewood despite having broken my wrist in the process and refusing help or rest until the task is completed) (I don't know these seem simmilar to other aspie behaviors.

The way I experience pain also differs from most neurotypicals. But I do have problems with executive functioning, concentration and organizing. I have no sense of linear time or can recall wich order events took place.

So, your opinions are actually quite welcome.

The advice you have given so far has helped a lot since I have my girlfriend over this week I've tried it out and our relationship is getting much better.

Having read closer trough your posts, I feel both your views are equally valid and logically sound on both ends. Whether or not I indeed am on the autistic spectrum, I can still draw benefit from your insight so I can apply it when I interact with other aspies.


Please feel free to share more of your experiances however trifled they may seem to you, they may help give me a better insight. Again thank you for your time.


Ps: to the admins: please do not delete any posts concerning misdiagnosis. I still value the opinions expressed here and wish to read them. It is relevant. Thank you.



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19 Jun 2015, 8:18 am

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I can however relate to difficulties in excecutive functions, such as memorizing, organizing, processing and staying in track.

I don't have any problem with these issues--I have collections so well organized you might think I have OCD. 8O
Except that unlike OCD, I can drop what I'm doing and work on something more important. I also have a phenomenal memory. I also have this interesting ability to glance at things and pick out the important content. My ideal work environment allows me to work on one project until completion--the typical Aspie one track mind. But, I've developed adaptations to better multi-task--the most important realization being that NTs, while they say they multi-task, actually aren't very good at it.



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I can however relate to difficulties in excecutive functions, such as memorizing, organizing, processing and staying in track.

I don't have any problem with these issues--I have collections so well organized you might think I have OCD. 8O
Except that unlike OCD, I can drop what I'm doing and work on something more important. I also have a phenomenal memory. I also have this interesting ability to glance at things and pick out the important content. My ideal work environment allows me to work on one project until completion--the typical Aspie one track mind. But, I've developed adaptations to better multi-task--the most important realization being that NTs, while they say they multi-task, actually aren't very good at it.



Can we trade? Lol
But, like seriously. If you could give me a few pointers in a pm that'd be awsome. I can make you a sketch or somthing as thanks.



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19 Jun 2015, 9:07 am

Perhaps the most important thing to learn is that we are all different.

Sort of like trying to grow flowers in different locations. Some soils hold water--you can drown plants by watering every day. Smart gardeners get a soil test to figure out what they have--your soil can be quite different from someone who lives in the next town. Freezing can also be an issue when growing plants--there are warmer parts in the yard where I grow stuff that doesn't like sub-zero weather.

Forget about what others would do--that is NT crap. You need to find out what works for you.



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19 Jun 2015, 9:18 am

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going on and on about narrow subjects

My own experience of this is that it's a powerful compulsion. At first I didn't even know how annoying it was to others, how much it was overloading them, how much I was putting people off me by doing it. When I started to realise that, I thought it would be a fairly simple matter to stop doing it. But to my horror I found I couldn't stop, even though I knew how important it was to normalise my conversational style. It's taken me years to learn how to regulate it, and even now I'm still prone to dropping back into my old ways. It's a brain wiring thing, not a matter of choice. If it were a matter of choice, I'd simply have chosen a normal conversational style for myself, and become socially successful, obviously.


Kind of like drinking for alcoholics. They know they should stop, they know that it is destroying their lives, but they keep doing it anyways.



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19 Jun 2015, 9:26 am

Sometimes I wonder if I am mislabled as well. Growing up, no one knew what was wrong with me as well and then AS was the closest they could get for a diagnoses. If I had known as a kid, AS is something you cannot change in behavior, I would have quit trying and used it as an excuse and not overcome behaviors like talking about the same things over and over and going on and on and refusing to stop. I still do it sometimes but all you have to do is tell me I have been rambling on about something for the last ten minutes and I shut up. My mom will be more direct and tell me to talk about something else because she is sick of hearing it and I stop. I don't even like to talk about my obsessions anymore so I don't do that. It's other things I might ramble on about it. Then I hear this cannot be stopped or changed? That confuses me and makes me wonder if others are lying about it or if I am misdiagnosed as well if I can control that symptom. I know everyone with it is different and we all have our own limitations and are affected different by our traits and when I do meet someone on the spectrum who is also in control of their symptoms, I feel better and think maybe I am correctly diagnosed after all.

Yes everyone with it will display different symptoms and you don't need to have all of them but if someone lacks too many of them, then I think it's fine to question their diagnoses.


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19 Jun 2015, 9:33 am

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going on and on about narrow subjects

My own experience of this is that it's a powerful compulsion. At first I didn't even know how annoying it was to others, how much it was overloading them, how much I was putting people off me by doing it. When I started to realise that, I thought it would be a fairly simple matter to stop doing it. But to my horror I found I couldn't stop, even though I knew how important it was to normalise my conversational style. It's taken me years to learn how to regulate it, and even now I'm still prone to dropping back into my old ways. It's a brain wiring thing, not a matter of choice. If it were a matter of choice, I'd simply have chosen a normal conversational style for myself, and become socially successful, obviously.


Kind of like drinking for alcoholics. They know they should stop, they know that it is destroying their lives, but they keep doing it anyways.


Except some of them do quit and never go back. They just can't have another sip. I guess the same with AS, some are able to stop and not do it anymore.


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19 Jun 2015, 9:59 am

Consider this situation.

You are a newly minted clinician who has to deal with a huge increase in workload.
Suppose you have a patient that is clearly not on the autistic spectrum, but desperately needs the services given to those on the spectrum. You could give him the correct diagnosis, but that would lead to a counterproductive drug regimen. What do you do?



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19 Jun 2015, 11:24 am

iliketrees wrote:
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then you are feeling guilty and absolutely rightfully so

You got that right :cry: I don't know why I try to help, I always do it wrong and now you all hate me :cry:

But you know what? Screw it. I'll try to explain to give you some more things to hate me for. Hopefully I won't be around much longer, so screw it. Just screw it. Why not?

I didn't say OP was misdiagnosed, I said I knew nothing about ADHD. I've just heard on here about people in the past being diagnosed inattentive ADHD as kids but as adults it's actually high functioning autism, something that didn't really exist before the 90s, and about all the overlapping symptoms. What I was saying is that maybe it could go the other way.

I am sick of being ripped apart for my bad wording on this site. Kicker you should feel guilty too. I've agreed with your posts in the past. This is the second meanest anyone here has ever been to me. Screw you. I hate you. Dick.

This place used to be nice. Now f*****g nowhere is. That or it's all me and I should be dead.

Bet you find that funny that you made me cry you c**t.


Let's get a few facts straight.

I never specifically spoke to you till now.
I didn't MAKE you feel anything.
I didn't call you every explicative I could think of.
I didn't tell you to go f@ck yourself.
I didn't make you read my posts and apply it to yourself.
I didn't twist your thoughts into thinking you're a horrible person.


You however have done all that to yourself. You decide that my story spoke specifically to you. You saw your own behavior being that of the tourist in my story, I didn't say your specific behavior was, but you decided it was.

You then decided to show how 'sensitive' you are by calling me several explicitly suggestive things and tell me to do something that would be anatomically difficult to do. Because for some perverse reason you believe I should be nice to you and feel guilty after your imaginary scenario where I somehow got in your brain and made you do all sorts of horrible things to yourself and the very real scenario where you tell me to go f myself.


I will be sure to get right on feeling guilty and being nice to you after I finish feeding my goose and polishing my golden eggs. :roll:



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League_Girl wrote:
ProfessorJohn wrote:
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going on and on about narrow subjects

My own experience of this is that it's a powerful compulsion. At first I didn't even know how annoying it was to others, how much it was overloading them, how much I was putting people off me by doing it. When I started to realise that, I thought it would be a fairly simple matter to stop doing it. But to my horror I found I couldn't stop, even though I knew how important it was to normalise my conversational style. It's taken me years to learn how to regulate it, and even now I'm still prone to dropping back into my old ways. It's a brain wiring thing, not a matter of choice. If it were a matter of choice, I'd simply have chosen a normal conversational style for myself, and become socially successful, obviously.


Kind of like drinking for alcoholics. They know they should stop, they know that it is destroying their lives, but they keep doing it anyways.


Can you please elaborate?

Thank you iliketrees, for the links.




Except some of them do quit and never go back. They just can't have another sip. I guess the same with AS, some are able to stop and not do it anymore.