Do debates affect your creativity negatively

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I think the answer is in the detail kraftiekortie provided here:

Hmm.....was that a loss of creativity, or just withdrawal from an activity that was proving to be a painful and disgusting experience?

I believe that this is the thread referred to: viewtopic.php?t=290192.

I'd be interested to know whether other readers feel that I expressed my opinion in an 'acrimonious' spirit, or indeed whether it should have caused a 'disgusted' reaction in anyone.

BirdInFlight posted a message which was very supportive of me in one of those genuinely 'acrimonious' diagnosis threads a few weeks ago, and despite this most recent silly business, I share the opinion of her which Kraftiekortie expressed on the first page of the present thread.

Hi DeepHour. As I mentioned in another thread, I'm not even sure if that angry-looking post was a response to your post. I don't see anything in your post that would deserve an angry response.

Any way, I think I may have also unintentionally contributed to that poster's feeling unhappy not long before your post might have. She seemed to have interpreted my somewhat cynical post in another thread as a response to some of her posts somewhere, although I wasn't responding to any particular poster.

At the time I created this poll, I was thinking peripherally--"off to the side."

I don't believe Birdie's creativity was stifled by the debate

But I have found that MY creativity could be stifled by the content of debates--especially content which is cynical, bitter, and generally devoid of any optimistic spirit. When people are in the pure "Social Darwinist" spirit--the spirit of the "dog-eat-dog" world.

Interesting reply, if somewhat 'peripheral' to the question I asked.

Roman writers don't come much more cynical and bitter than Juvenal, in many people's opinion, btw.




You add an interesting extra dimension to the question, jk1, and one which I obviously hadn't taken into account. The fact that the poster's reply immediately followed my own, and that it referred to heavy £1 coins, does tend to suggest that it was a response to my post though.....

Yep....Juvenal was, beyond the shadow of much doubt, a cynic.

My poetry tends towards the peripheral--in the sense that the game of Dominoes depicts the "peripheral" paths of the tiles.

Deep Hour: I was focused more on Birdie's reaction than on anything anybody else said. I honestly didn't sense any acrimonious spirit within that particular thread (as I recall). I think Birdie is a nice lady who's quite sensitive.

Excellent - I'm glad we seem to be in complete agreement on those points .




Very deep. It'll take me at least an hour to make sense of that!

In my view, there was nothing wrong with what you posted in that thread, it seemed like you were providing some information and analysis.

The LA metro card machines spit out sacajawea dollars as change. Those things are pretty heavy.

Jesus christ what the fck, kraftie??????

Do you not realize by posting what is practically a "call out thread," you've given people here who happen not like me the perfect fuel to come here and do MORE of the thing I was sick of here in the first place?

The "heavy coin" issue was but one of a handful of things over which I felt that my own personal experience of something was being, essentially, invalidated and dismissed by people who were more interested in calmly throwing fact and figures -- and yes, "weights" -- at me, instead of just accepting that I was personally having a specific negative experience of something which made ME personally believe the instigation of that thing was a negative development.

That's a PERSONAL experience that I'm finding pound coins heavier and seemingly more numerously given in change by cashiers than the old 10 pence pieces that one poster informed me were heavier.

That information does NOTHING to change the fact that I seem to be on the receiving end of more pound coins -- and that they ARE bulkier, also, than most other coins.

My SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE of these f*****g coins are that they are killing me to carry around.

Oh, or is someone going to come on here and calmly tell me they're not literally killing me? YES I KNOW THAT but I STILL think they are horrible.

That's AN OPINION and a PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

That's not a "Debate" so WHY are you even talking about debates, kraftie?

I , in the other conversation you and I had, was talking about what happens when people try to argue with me about MY OWN personal, subjective upset bout something that is causing ME to feel it's a horrible thing.

That isn't a debate. That's people trying to talk me out of my own feelings about something.

I wasn't getting upset about "debates" on WP -- I haven't even take part in any!

What I HAD found myself part of was other people trying to talk me out of, rationalize me out of or otherwise invalidate things that were MY OWN feelings, my own experiences, my own opinions and my own wish for something to be different.

It happened not just about the coins but about a couple of other things, and all these things happened one after the other in my recent visits to WP, making it feel like I just wasn't having a good time on here.

Part of it was my own frustration because once in while is easy to stay calm about, but three or four times in a row starts to feel like "Okay, I'm sick of this BS."

I felt personally invalidated a few times all sequentially and I got sick of it.

NOTHING to do with "creativity" OR even "debates" as neither were happening, so I have no idea why you posted this thread, and I also really, really resent that you are all talking about me on here.

Especially given that you're misinterpreting the cause and nature of my upsets.

If you're talking about debates about something that can be argued such as:

"Is there ever a good reason for hunting (eg, population control?) or even sometimes trophy hunting? Discuss."

Then that's another matter! That is actually "a debate" and everyone's opinions may have a place to either challenge or accept, agree with or disagree with.

But that's not what happened in why I started to get angry on WP lately.

I was getting angry because there were things I was saying that I considered to be my own personal complaint or my own person pet peeve or my own personal stance based on my own experiences or observations -- and those were being "rationalized" or dismissed for me.

I can understand if I said rain is not wet and you guys are just wrong for thinking it is. Then someone would have every right to say actually, rain is wet, and here are the properties of "wetness," and I think you'll find that rain meets the criteria in those properties."

I SHOULD be talked out of thinking that rain is not wet.

But that's not the kind of thing that happened. I had a handful of exchanges where people were by any other name "talking me out of" something I didn't like, or something I held true from long experience or observations.

In those cases one can only say well I don't think of it that way, but if you do, then I guess you do.

That's not debate or lack of debate, that's the area of person belief or personal opinion or just personal TASTE or desire.

But noooooooooooooooooooo, everybody cold and robotic and pedantic on here has to PILE on.

And now you've made it worse by essentially putting me up for discussion both by people who may agree that I'm an okay person, but also by people -- and there's one or two on this thread already -- who have always taken an opportunity NOT to support me but to be ass holes about things.

Thanks a f*****g lot.

I HAVE BEEN HAVING MASSIVE STRESSES LATELY IN REAL LIFE AND ALSO ON THIS SITE. AND NOW THIS. YOU ARE f*****g STRESSING ME OUT === AND IF ANYONE DARES TO TRY AND COM EON THIS THREAD AND DENY THAT TO ME TOO THEN FCK YOU!! !! ! YOU f*****g ASS HOLES. MY ANXIETY HAS CLIMBED AND CLIMBED ON HERE AND IN MY LIFE AND ALL YOU PEOPLE DO IS MAKE IT WORSE WITH YOU INVALIDATION. FCK YOU.

Sad to see the discussion end up like this.

Sorry to have upset you, BirdInFlight, but that was not the purpose of my intervention. Maybe I should've taken the hint from the previous exchange of views.

I can't speak on behalf of the OP, but I doubt very much whether he began this thread with anything but the best of intentions.

I have to agree with BirdInFlight. I think it'd be best to stop talking about her as if she wasn't here, which is bad manners to say the least. I thought the thread question was a little strange in the first place, as questions go. As usual I didn't spot the social significance until it was too late.