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were you ahead or behind your classmates?
I am/was ahead of all my other classmates, i graduated early. 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
I am/was pretty ahead of the class and often found myself bored, i was the fastest. frequently had high grades. 58%  58%  [ 30 ]
I learn(ed) at a normal level as my peers. 15%  15%  [ 8 ]
I am/was quite behind and got low grades most of the time.I often needed extra help. 17%  17%  [ 9 ]
I am/was in a special Education Program and separated from the rest of the class. 6%  6%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 52

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18 Aug 2015, 4:21 am

was in special ed all throughout elementary school, woulda been in special ed in jr. high school if it was offered but it wasn't, it was mainstream only or be sent to a special state school, from what I recall. in high school I managed to catch up with everybody else except in math which I was still slow at.



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18 Aug 2015, 7:29 am

How I was in school varies depending on who you ask. I think it was maybe third or fourth grade when I started getting B's, 5th or 6th grade when I started getting C's, and 8th grade when I got my first D on a report card. I have two older sisters who got straight A's and are neurotypical, so my mom always worried for me when anything I did even slightly deviated from her high and specific expectations... which she had to just get-over at some point, because I could just flat-out never deliver on those things. When I told her that I wanted to be a scientist at age 12, she laughed at me and told me that I wasn't smart enough.

Now I'm going to be receiving my PhD this year (fingers crossed).

I'd tell you that there was some point where I changed my behavior, learned how to learn, etc. but it would be a lie. I'm just doing the same thing. The truth is, in American society, we punish in children the same things we reward in adults. As kids we are told we need to meet these "benchmarks," or it's concerning if we have a different course of "development" than the other kids. It seems to me that kids are supposed to blend-in and disappear. As adults in the workforce, we're told that employers are looking for that someone unique, different, with creativity, who "thinks outside of the box." It's the total opposite of what we tell kids to be in school!

The irony makes me laugh pretty hard sometimes. I'm happily writing my thesis and trying to decide between different labs for my post-doc fellowship, while many of my former classmates who called me stupid in middle school are working dead-end jobs and I'd wager, can't remember half of the information I can recall from primary and secondary school courses I have taken.

So yes, as a kid I was in every sense of the word "behind" but my perseverance in academia, I think, has led me to end up ultimately ahead of most people in terms of school.



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18 Aug 2015, 7:41 am

School was easy. Got to university at sixteen. Dropped out.
Gave myself an MBA for my fiftieth birthday. That was still before diagnosis.



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18 Aug 2015, 9:38 am

Fern wrote:
How I was in school varies depending on who you ask. I think it was maybe third or fourth grade when I started getting B's, 5th or 6th grade when I started getting C's, and 8th grade when I got my first D on a report card. I have two older sisters who got straight A's and are neurotypical, so my mom always worried for me when anything I did even slightly deviated from her high and specific expectations... which she had to just get-over at some point, because I could just flat-out never deliver on those things. When I told her that I wanted to be a scientist at age 12, she laughed at me and told me that I wasn't smart enough.

Now I'm going to be receiving my PhD this year (fingers crossed).

I'd tell you that there was some point where I changed my behavior, learned how to learn, etc. but it would be a lie. I'm just doing the same thing. The truth is, in American society, we punish in children the same things we reward in adults. As kids we are told we need to meet these "benchmarks," or it's concerning if we have a different course of "development" than the other kids. It seems to me that kids are supposed to blend-in and disappear. As adults in the workforce, we're told that employers are looking for that someone unique, different, with creativity, who "thinks outside of the box." It's the total opposite of what we tell kids to be in school!

The irony makes me laugh pretty hard sometimes. I'm happily writing my thesis and trying to decide between different labs for my post-doc fellowship, while many of my former classmates who called me stupid in middle school are working dead-end jobs and I'd wager, can't remember half of the information I can recall from primary and secondary school courses I have taken.

So yes, as a kid I was in every sense of the word "behind" but my perseverance in academia, I think, has led me to end up ultimately ahead of most people in terms of school.


PhD in what?

PhDs can be a nightmare. You have to come up with your own thesis and it has to be valid. I've heard horror stories about people who were writing a thesis for their PhD and it was disproved or already discovered, imagine being in their metaphorical shoes, it would suck.


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18 Aug 2015, 9:42 am

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I was chronically behind in my homework, yet scored ahead of the curve on all of my exams.

It's hard to get homework done in a house run by a dictatorial alcoholic.


Homework is roughly 30% of your mark. I think the marking scheme is something like this:

Midterm- 30%
Final- 30%
Homework- 30%
Attendance- 10%


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18 Aug 2015, 11:27 am

Fern wrote:
As adults in the workforce, we're told that employers are looking for that someone unique, different, with creativity, who "thinks outside of the box." It's the total opposite of what we tell kids to be in school!


That is not always the case. I was once let go of by a place because I was just "too creative" for them. In the end, it was a blessing in disguise, as I moved up the world. It all depends upon what the people in charge are looking for.

Congratulations on the upcoming PhD. The writing stages are the most painful by far (you will likely have a few revisions to do after the defense). The actual presentation and defense is usually over much quicker/easier than you think it will be. It becomes surreal when you are actually done with it. Take breaks occasionally to help clear your mind when getting ready for the defense preparations. Otherwise, you will quickly feel burned out by the process.



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18 Aug 2015, 11:34 am

Rudin wrote:
Fern wrote:
How I was in school varies depending on who you ask. I think it was maybe third or fourth grade when I started getting B's, 5th or 6th grade when I started getting C's, and 8th grade when I got my first D on a report card. I have two older sisters who got straight A's and are neurotypical, so my mom always worried for me when anything I did even slightly deviated from her high and specific expectations... which she had to just get-over at some point, because I could just flat-out never deliver on those things. When I told her that I wanted to be a scientist at age 12, she laughed at me and told me that I wasn't smart enough.

Now I'm going to be receiving my PhD this year (fingers crossed).

I'd tell you that there was some point where I changed my behavior, learned how to learn, etc. but it would be a lie. I'm just doing the same thing. The truth is, in American society, we punish in children the same things we reward in adults. As kids we are told we need to meet these "benchmarks," or it's concerning if we have a different course of "development" than the other kids. It seems to me that kids are supposed to blend-in and disappear. As adults in the workforce, we're told that employers are looking for that someone unique, different, with creativity, who "thinks outside of the box." It's the total opposite of what we tell kids to be in school!

The irony makes me laugh pretty hard sometimes. I'm happily writing my thesis and trying to decide between different labs for my post-doc fellowship, while many of my former classmates who called me stupid in middle school are working dead-end jobs and I'd wager, can't remember half of the information I can recall from primary and secondary school courses I have taken.

So yes, as a kid I was in every sense of the word "behind" but my perseverance in academia, I think, has led me to end up ultimately ahead of most people in terms of school.


PhD in what?

PhDs can be a nightmare. You have to come up with your own thesis and it has to be valid. I've heard horror stories about people who were writing a thesis for their PhD and it was disproved or already discovered, imagine being in their metaphorical shoes, it would suck.


That is why PhD candidates must be adaptable to survive the whole process, much like in the outside world. I knew someone who had their entire research project outdone on them three years into it by another graduate student somewhere else. He basically had to start over on another research project, which added three more years to his time there. The university that I graduated with my PhD had only about a 15% graduation rate for PhDs based upon students starting graduate school there. Many of them could not handle the pressure one way or the other and either left or earned a Masters degree for their work done...