What has been your biggest revelation about NTs?

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09 Sep 2015, 1:16 pm

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My biggest revelation was that they are all `winging it` too!


Aint that the truth! Nobody really has this sh!t we call life figured out, no one ever will either, and I'm ok with that.



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10 Sep 2015, 2:15 am

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I've found quite the opposite to be true. Granted there are a fair share of NT's that are really cruel in socially dominant ways that leave an aspie defenseless, I've only been helped out the most by NT's. I've never met an aspie that was willing to listen to me and try to offer help in my times of crisis, I think because it's just overwhelming for them to deal with my out of control emotions (referring to family with AS).

My mom is NT and she is so caring and genuinely concerned about my well being, she hates seeing me depressed or in a life crisis. One time I got arrested and sentenced to jail for 6 months for a fight I got into. She came and visited me every available time, and I had to watch her cry through the glass window every time, man was that hard for me.

She fought for me while I was in there too. I was being treated poorly and my needs were neglected, as were every other inmates, but being aspie my needs were quite different. Jail was truly sensory hell for me. Herds of people screaming, shouting, extremely bright flouresent lighting, the temperature was either ice cold or boiling hot...it was just all too much, I've never been so suicidal in my life and my mom helped me so much through all of that. She put money on my account every week to make sure I was able to buy the hygeine and food I needed to be somewhat comfortable.

None of my family members with AS came to see me the entire time. I know they still love me but they have a hard time showing it, and I understand that and don't resent them one bit for it. I just don't know what I would have done if it wasn't for the some of the loved ones I have that are NT's. Most of the friends I've had over the years weren't the best though. But I have had some really close NT friends that truly love me and go out of their way to make sure I am doing ok.

That's why I always get a bad taste in my mouth when I hear people bashing NT's like they are all the same. We've got a lot of NT's fighting for us and we need them more than they need us. I find the segregating behavior between NT's/Aspie's on here quite disgusting. It's the kind of behavior Hitler promoted. We need to stop drawing lines between one another and accept and embrace the fact that we are ALL human!


Again, as I mentioned in the OP, my experience has been the opposite.

Regardless, no one is claiming that aspies are angels and NTs are demons.



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10 Sep 2015, 5:58 am

Probably my biggest revelation about NTS - more a realisation than a revelation really - is their general reluctance for thinking outside the square and an often automatic acceptance wholesale of conventional ideas, as if these were set in stone; and (sadly) their often bitter resentment of those who do question ("Why do you have to rock the boat??? Who do you think you are etc etc?" Why do you have to be different? etc etc)

Way back when people unquestionably believed the earth was flat, this was the received truth and any independent thinkers who dared to suggest otherwise were persecuted and killed- even though the flat earth dogma was bulldust, and the Greeks had demonstrated that the earth was a globe long before, even calculating its circumference - astonishingly very near to its actual measurement.

So there is one group of people (mainly NT) who believe stuff because someone told them it was true. And a much smaller group of people (some NTs, more often auties perhaps) who question received ideas, however entrenched in popular thinking, however "commonsensical" these false notions are held to be by the majority,

So it had to be an ASD child - I think - who dared to say "Wow - the emperor has no clothes on, his thing is showing! What do you all think of that?" I wonder how long it took for his bruises to fade, or if he survived the beating at all. Sometimes truth is the most radical thing anyone can say. Especially amongst the common-sense tribe.



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10 Sep 2015, 7:31 am

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What has been your biggest revelation about NTs? What has been the most surprising and revealing discovery you have had about NTs in your autistic journey?


For me it's this:

No matter how much an NT person shit-talks their family member to you, and they do it a lot, you must NEVER agree with them... if you do, they say something like "HEY, THAT'S MY MOM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!" and things can get hairy from there. Don't ask me what the right way out of this type of conversation is. I haven't found it. ...best to run away I think.



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10 Sep 2015, 7:35 am

In these sorts of situations, it's best not to mention the family member at all--but to generalize it to "people tend to do this" and "people tend to do that." Or say that it applies to YOUR family member, too.



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10 Sep 2015, 7:47 am

B19 wrote:
Probably my biggest revelation about NTS - more a realisation than a revelation really - is their general reluctance for thinking outside the square and an often automatic acceptance wholesale of conventional ideas, as if these were set in stone; and (sadly) their often bitter resentment of those who do question ("Why do you have to rock the boat??? Who do you think you are etc etc?" Why do you have to be different? etc etc)

Way back when people unquestionably believed the earth was flat, this was the received truth and any independent thinkers who dared to suggest otherwise were persecuted and killed- even though the flat earth dogma was bulldust, and the Greeks had demonstrated that the earth was a globe long before, even calculating its circumference - astonishingly very near to its actual measurement.

So there is one group of people (mainly NT) who believe stuff because someone told them it was true. And a much smaller group of people (some NTs, more often auties perhaps) who question received ideas, however entrenched in popular thinking, however "commonsensical" these false notions are held to be by the majority,

So it had to be an ASD child - I think - who dared to say "Wow - the emperor has no clothes on, his thing is showing! What do you all think of that?" I wonder how long it took for his bruises to fade, or if he survived the beating at all. Sometimes truth is the most radical thing anyone can say. Especially amongst the common-sense tribe.


Sorry to rock the boat but I really am starting to think that the earth is flat after all....really.



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10 Sep 2015, 7:57 am

Scientifically-based inquiry, in all seriousness, is essential.

I believe that the earth is a sphere, that it revolves around the sun, that it is billions of years old, and that it originated through the cooling of gasses.

The Big Bang? I really don't know. I have more of a belief in a steady-state universe which has its ebbs and flows.

Reincarnation: It's a faint, faint hope.



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10 Sep 2015, 8:09 am

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Scientifically-based inquiry, in all seriousness, is essential.

I believe that the earth is a sphere, that it revolves around the sun, that it is billions of years old, and that it originated through the cooling of gasses.

The Big Bang? I really don't know. I have more of a belief in a steady-state universe which has its ebbs and flows.

Reincarnation: It's a faint, faint hope.



I was dead serious. I've seen a few laser tests done now across water (as water should take on the shape of the sphere) and the laser didn't drop an inch at 6 miles across the water. The laser was one foot above the water and taking the earth curvature into consideration it should have dropped several feet.

They are doing a weather balloon launch on the 28th of this month from like 6 different locations across the world. The idea is that depending on where the moon is at the time of the launch, say it's visible in the Australian night sky, then if the earth is indeed round it won't be seen from a balloon launched from say Wisconsin.

In the famous "bedford level experiments" they set a boat down a 6 mile dead straight canal with a person with a telescope 1 foot above the water. The entire boat was visible the entire time. The experiment has been replicated many times with the exact same results every time.



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10 Sep 2015, 8:13 am

You should look at some of the videos of the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo missions.



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10 Sep 2015, 8:24 am

I've done a lot of looking into the Apollo missions and there seems to be a lot discrepancies. I admit I'm a very suspicious person, but I look at everything with an open mind and a scientific approach. I'll do some digging on the mercury and gemini missions and get back to ya.



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10 Sep 2015, 8:44 am

Regarding empathy, my finding is that many NT's can't help but use it as a crutch. Firstly, there's a lot of confusion about compassion and empathy, and the sometimes use the terms interchangeably. Empathy is the ability to read what the other person is going through, compassion is the ability or willingness to care.

For many NT's it's never occurred to them that you can have compassion without empathy. So if you manifest pain, distress, or discomfort in a way that doesn't trigger their hind-brain empathy circuits, they just can't wrap their heads around the fact that they're causing you pain and so just continue. It's something I've learned to be careful of.

You see this in donations, giving money for those they "feel for," rather than those in most need, or to the organizations that have been audited as doing the most good.

Also in discussions of animal rights. Animals capable of human-like expression are automatically assumed to be more likely to be capable of suffering.

In other words, their empathy works well for getting along with people who look and act like them. Where it doesn't work, they don't have the tools to avoid being unintentionally cruel. It's something you need to be careful of when around them.



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10 Sep 2015, 9:12 am

If the world was flat, people taking around-the-world trips via ship would have floated into space.

Ever since at least Ancient Greek days, it was pretty much ascertained that the world is a spheroid--not a perfect sphere, of course.

If there's a God/gods/etc, I believe this Creator would have created a complex, rounded planet rather than a flat one. It just makes more sense.



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10 Sep 2015, 9:25 am

Crazyfool wrote:
In the famous "bedford level experiments" they set a boat down a 6 mile dead straight canal with a person with a telescope 1 foot above the water. The entire boat was visible the entire time. The experiment has been replicated many times with the exact same results every time.


Have you looked at the wiki page for that experiment.

"Early results seemed to prove the Earth to be flat, but most later attempts to reproduce the observations firmly support that the Earth is a sphere. "

Given the tendency for refraction near the ground, you'd expect this experiment to be difficult to control. It has shown flat earth, and round earth and a hollow earth, depending on who's done and the local conditions.

As a scientists, I would have to conclude that this is a BAD TEST, and look elsewhere for meaningful data. I would not just pick the set of results I like and then claim it's been "reproduced several times."



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10 Sep 2015, 9:30 am

Regarding the flat earth. I hope you're not using a GPS to get around. A spherical earth is implicit in the calculations used to determine location, even down to the relativistic time dilation seen between a surface of a spherical mass and the satellites further out in orbit.

As they're currently designed, they would be dangerously wrong on a flat earth.



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10 Sep 2015, 11:55 am

Phemto wrote:
In other words, their empathy works well for getting along with people who look and act like them. Where it doesn't work, they don't have the tools to avoid being unintentionally cruel. It's something you need to be careful of when around them.


In my experience, that can also make them intentionally cruel. Because afterall, if you are not showing pain that they can discern, then they are doing nothing wrong by merely "pushing your buttons" or "pushing boundaries" as they call it.



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10 Sep 2015, 11:56 am

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For me it's the shocking lack of substance or depth behind the things people say and do.

Yeah, a shockingly large number of them are insincere phonies who hide behind a facade. However, this isn't true of most of them, who can be genuinely nice.


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