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10 Oct 2015, 2:03 pm

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I have troubles with subculture, because I assume it still involves "fitting in" and conforming to a social norm. I don't understand that. Every kind of group people tell me is relevant to me - ASD, recovery, LGBT groups - I still display variations from the prescribed formula required to fit into these groups.


I don't know I don't see people who think there are a bunch of rules to follow, or an exact 'image' you have to have as much a part of actual subcultures, or at least they're just the a**holes of the group. Of course there are sort of some loose guidelines like if you're going to be a metalhead you sort of have to listen to metal, and have a somewhat intent interest in it for instance. There are people who listen to metal who aren't metalheads because to them its 'just' music and nothing wrong with that but to some it is much more than that. But then again I cannot speak for all subcultures or groups on the fringes of society, I mean some are quite horrible.


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10 Oct 2015, 2:18 pm

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I have troubles with subculture, because I assume it still involves "fitting in" and conforming to a social norm. I don't understand that. Every kind of group people tell me is relevant to me - ASD, recovery, LGBT groups - I still display variations from the prescribed formula required to fit into these groups.

Over the years I've learned that among some subcultures the range of acceptable variations can be huge. LGBT is a good example; people are as likely to say that there is no actual subculture since the variation is so incredibly wide. In that case inclusion ranges from right-wing conservative Log Cabin Republicans and TERFs, to ex-hippie old drag queens, to suburban millennials who differ from their cishet peers only by expression of their sex/gender. And of course, there's trans people and their AS connection. Subcultures based on race, I've found to be similar; aspects of "subculture" of a Christian black woman in Rome, Georgia can be vastly different from those of a techie atheist AA woman in Oakland, California. My point is that from the outside, many large biology based (or biology based, externally enforced) subcultures are seen as monolithic but within they are as varied as all other cultures. Get in & find the sub-subculture that fits, as there may be more to choose from than is apparent from outside. It does take some sifting of chaff, but I've found there's always something interesting to learn along the way...


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10 Oct 2015, 4:43 pm

I don't feel like I fit in with any subculture to be honest. I'd rather be an individual than be put into a category.



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10 Oct 2015, 5:06 pm

I can't help the way that I am. It just happened. :nerdy: Austin Powers


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11 Oct 2015, 2:46 pm

I was a Punk in the early London scene, a member of the Roxy club.
Drifted out after a few years when it got a bit silly, then it was the Biker/Heavy Metal scene, there where lots of Rock Venues in London in the early 80s, that scene sort of fizzled out by the late 80s, and my friends all got married.
I am still into the remnants of that stuff with my old British motorbikes and reunited with a few of the old crowd now that their children have grown up.

My proudest subculture membership is of the exclusive club of the abandoned and abused who sought out each others companionship in the Children's homes we where dumped in.
Not that we get together much, and hasn't really got much of a musical identity either, in fact our only identifying badge is the sad lost look in our eyes.



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11 Oct 2015, 5:21 pm

Hi, OOM. I live in a transitional shelter and only use the internet sporadically, mainly at a library like the one I'm in now.



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12 Oct 2015, 3:24 pm

I guess that I've been searching all my life for somewhere to belong. I've had passionate interests but have felt myself totally isolated from others who share them and so have had to keep them to myself - the Internet wasn't around until I was well into adulthood.

In my teens and at University I loved Indie/Alternative music but I seemed alone in my tastes and my size prevented me from following the fashions. I had to sit and listen to my records and read the NME and pretend that I was part of something.

I had a brief dalliance with LGBT but didn't feel that I belonged there and felt cold-shouldered. A similar thing happened with environmentalism.

I've always liked geeky things but this was absolute social poison until recently (things like comics and tabletop gaming were largely unheard of when and where I was growing up). Now there is geekery all over the place and I'm told old to really get the most out of it.



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12 Oct 2015, 5:33 pm

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I don't feel like I fit in with any subculture to be honest. I'd rather be an individual than be put into a category.


Not sure how fitting into a category necessarily negates being an individual.


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12 Oct 2015, 5:39 pm

Briefly a member of the mid-80s DeadHead revival, then onto metalhead when I first heard Metallica's "Sanitarium"... past 10 years have been prog rock/prog metal (Dream Theater, etc), now am also adding a fondness for the Van's Warped tour type bands that my 12 year old daughter loves so much (I delight in taking her to shows as often as possible - her first concert was Alice Cooper when she was 8, KISS after that, Dream Theater, Opeth, Katatonia, Steven Wilson, and so on from there. :) )


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12 Oct 2015, 5:51 pm

I identify with certain subcultures, but it's not the same as feeling like I belong to a group. It's more about just relating to a certain philosophy or belief system on a remote basis.



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12 Oct 2015, 5:58 pm

An og yardbird and a Commander not a very vibrant subculture :o


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12 Oct 2015, 7:01 pm

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I identify with certain subcultures, but it's not the same as feeling like I belong to a group. It's more about just relating to a certain philosophy or belief system on a remote basis.


This in the areas of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals and democratic socialism.


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12 Oct 2015, 8:26 pm

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dianthus wrote:
I identify with certain subcultures, but it's not the same as feeling like I belong to a group. It's more about just relating to a certain philosophy or belief system on a remote basis.


This in the areas of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals and democratic socialism.


I don't align with either of those things. PETA is quite unethical, and I despise socialism. You're treading on really contentious ground when you try to label a person with things they don't believe in.



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12 Oct 2015, 8:32 pm

Every time I think I belong to a group I become disillusioned with it about five minutes later.



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12 Oct 2015, 8:51 pm

I belong to the Kraftiekortie subculture.



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12 Oct 2015, 10:08 pm

dianthus wrote:
justkillingtime wrote:
dianthus wrote:
I identify with certain subcultures, but it's not the same as feeling like I belong to a group. It's more about just relating to a certain philosophy or belief system on a remote basis.


This in the areas of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals and democratic socialism.


I don't align with either of those things. PETA is quite unethical, and I despise socialism. You're treading on really contentious ground when you try to label a person with things they don't believe in.


PETA is unethical I however do not despise socialism and hope to see more of it.. specifically democratic socialism. Of course no one wants to be labeled with something they don't believe in.


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