Do you think that virginia Tech killer Cho Seu was an Aspie?

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I read that book too! Great book.



He could have been an anti-social type (which is not the same as social anxiety or aspie) but the way he acts in class does not say how he usually is in the other aspects of his life. The media loves to paint these dramatic pictures. No wonder us silent types get treated as if we have the plague. It's like people are expecting us to have bodies in our freezer or something like that.

that b------- wasn't aspie, just plain psycho. There's a difference you know. And besides, that kind of mentality is only going to give us a bad name, jsut because we're quiet and keep to ourselves doesn't mean we're mass murderers, god forbid.

f--- the media. They dont give a rat's ass what they say as long as it stirs up hatred, racism, and bigotry; it's what they're paid to do.

Eye contact is a problem with lot of different things. The problem with AS is unique (well for me anyway). It is not about people think about me or any kind of thoughts. It is/was physically difficult to look in the eyes. I think there is a term for it. Anyway he sound like he fits (given the little data) a sociopath.

Interestingly Hitler lied about going to art school but he didn't get in. He used to pretend to his family he was going when he was bum about town[/quote]
For people with any knowledge of abnormal psychology and psychiatry, concluding the perpetrator in cases like these is a psychopath is almost reflex. However, psychopathy does not refer to the condition of people who commit violent crimes per se. Psychopathy is a personality disorder common among career criminals, rapists, and murderers; it's also not unheard of in some people who commit no detected crime. Psychopathy is defined in terms of personality traits rather than a propensity to commit crimes and other such deviance from social norms per se.

Cho Seung-Hui's personality, according to limited news reports, was in many ways not typical of the psychopath. Psychopaths typically have an easygoing friendliness to them which helps them con potential victims. They lie often and without much thought. Accompanying this glib manner and deceitful, they overestimate their importance and place in the world; they're arrogant and self-centered. Their relationships with others are defined by exploitation; they only care about what they can get out of others (money, sex, entertainment). They are indifferent to other people's pain and feelings in general; their displays of emotion tend to be to manipulate and control more than an actual output of their feelings. They are very reckless and impulsive; they don't pay back debt and don't care if they what they take is someone else's. They tend not to plan ahead much.

In contrast, Cho Seung-Hui planned his attack well in advance. He was a loner who shunned all social contact. Judging by the play he wrote, he had massive built-up anger and confusion from a dysfunctional family background. He of course did show some definite psychopathic traits—callousness and perhaps grandiosity—but schizoid and paranoid personality disorders may describe his disorder better. Paranoid features tend to be common in spree murderers and mass murderers.

Neanthuman--that was my thought as well. He was probably delusional. My feeling is that if he were AS, once he got around people involved with his interest, he would have butted in somehow, because he probably wouldn't be able to help himself. Instead, for all of his college career, he kept to himself? No-one really knew him? I am not saying this is out of line for Aspies, it's just that we usually find our niche in college, studying. And he was a senior.

It's too bad all the way around, because this kid just oozed warning signs. Even the staff noticed, and I wondered if any of them thought to contact his family, because he was showing all kinds of symptoms of mental illness.

Bless them all.

Metta and karuna, Rjaye.

There have actually been quite a number of incidents where young Asian males have gone on the rampage at work and at school. Being Asian and a man who has lived in the United States, I can understand the rage that these young men feel towards a society that seems intent on putting them down. These acts of violence are certainly not justified, but there are aspects of American culture that actively diminishes the sense of honor and pride of young Asian men.

No one is saying that Cho Seung-Hui is autistic. He was a loner, but he had a girlfriend. That is an achievement that few Aspies ever attain. If there is a psychological profile, they are saying that he was possibly molested as a boy. What people are not saying is that Cho was a young Asian man. The stereotype of Asians does not allow for that type of violent assertion of self and no one wants to be branded a racist. But this tragic case does highlight the sort of ‘trauma’ that Asian males can go through as they attempt to assimilate into a society that assumes their submission.

From what i have gathered it seems like the VIRGINIA TECH shooter very possibly WAS IN FACT AN ASPIE.

JUST MY OPINION!


BEN

Looks to me like a good old fashioned sociopath. I don't see anything to worry about.

Not aspie, Asian.

What he did is normal in that culture. Some just kill themselves, which he had to do because his family paid for his education, a huge investment, and he lied and was an English Major.

He wanted to be an American, have a girl and a Greencard. His dreams did not work out.

His family used all of their connections, he would graduate and go home, they had him a place for a Business Degree. Most likely they wanted transcripts for a resume. End of the line.

Some just kill themselves, more common among Asians, others go Berserk, run down the street killing people till they are killed, or have worked up the situation where they can kill themselves.

Psychopathic rage is very Asian. Like Lubbies, the tower, Columbine, the Amish School, none of them planned on leaving alive. It is a form of suicide, sometimes called death by cop. I am sure he expected Dirty Harry to show up at the first shooting. Most likely stood around waiting, nobody showed, and he walked out unnoticed after that? Nobody noticed?

It is hard to hide being Asian, yet he walks a half mile across campus? He got away with it? So he went in another building and did it again, then still no Dirty Harry, so he killed himself.

I would like to know the time of the first report to the police, and how long they took to respond.

How long did it take them to reach the second scene?

At Columbine they stood off several hundred yards with automatic rifles, and listened to the shootings. They did point guns art excaping students, making them put their hands on their heads, pushing them to the ground and cuffing their hands. The did not enter the building till long after the shooting stopped.

It seems this bunch waited, gathered, dressed in their SWAT overtime bonus pay suits, then went an hour later? Students and teachers were carrying out the wounded, where were the police and the ambulances?

We lost 250 when New Orleans flooded, and another 1250 when none of the paid for relief forces showed up for a week. Government exists to protect and serve government.

If you find yourself in a disaster, do not expect any help.

He could have been a loner for a lot of reasons. He could have had social anxiety, or a mental illness that caused him to stay away from people. As he got more and more depressed/mentally ill, he would have stayed away from people all the more. Not all loners are Aspies.

Lots of things could cause lack of eye contact, including social anxiety disorder and probably some personality diosrders. (Not that SA causes people to kill. I have SA and I've never wanted to kill anyone. But he he could have that, together with another mental illness, and it might cause the lack of eye contact.)

We'd have to know what he was like all his life to know if he was Aspie or not. What was he like before he came here? Maybe his family, being an immigrant family, kept him away from the other kids and focused on school so that he became a loner. More likely though, whatever mental illnesses/personality disorders he may have had may have caused him to be a loner. Even if he was an introvert, that wouldn't cause him to be a killer; nor would it mean he was an Aspie. (And even if he did turn out to be an Aspie, that wouldn't be what would have caused him to kill!!)

Loner does not equal Aspie!! !! !! !! Neither does lack of eye contact!! !

Obsessions with members of the opposite sex (or same sex if you're gay) are somewhat common, and some people could have OCD or a OCPD. You don't have to be an Aspie to listen to the same song--it could be from OCD, or something that was significant to him in his mind because of his illness. (I've listened to the same song over and over again sometimes and have not been able to get diagnosed with AS and have even been told that other people without AS do that. For instance, a college roommate of mine kept playing the same album over and over and over after she bought it, and she was definitely not AS or autie, and wasn't a killer either for that matter!)

Remember the astronaut that was obsessed with a guy and drove a long distance (I forget how far) to shoot his girlfriend? She put on the diapers they wear in space so she wouldn't have to stop to use the restroom? She was definitely obsessed and violent, yet she didn't seem to be Aspie from the descriptions of her, and a couple people on here even said something about how NT's have problems to when this happened.

Various types of mental illnesses and personality disorders can cause all types of behaviors. I hope everyone isn't going to start saying this guy was an Aspie just because he might have seemed to fit a couple characteristics--how was he when he was a child? What has happened to him in his life--we don't know what kind of childhood he had, if he might have had abuse by someone, or what kinds of things happened.

Well, it might, but it's possible that no one who doesn't already know a lot about AS will even think of him as being AS. We're the ones saying he might be AS, not NT's after all....

I agree...many people still don't know much about AS. In fact when I hear NT's who don't know AS say someone might be AS, it's usually someone who speaks their mind without fear of what anyone will say or seems to lack tact. For instance, someone who has a blog in my city said that an obviously NT local talk show host had AS because the talk show host spouted a lot of opinions the blogger disagreed witih. Fortunately a commenter to the blog who has an Aspie son called the blogger on this.

He could have been a sociopath or had several disorders. He could have been abused too--one of the screenplays he supposedly did was about kids fantasizing killing a teacher who sexually abused him. Until we know more about him we can't say what caused him to do such a horrible thing, but I doubt people will say it's AS.

This is recently, when his mental illness/personality disordrer was probably at his worst. many people with personality disorders are very lonely because whatever their disorder is, it makes it harder and harder for them to interact or relate to other people. He could have Avoidant Personalty Dsiorder, which wouldn't cause him to kill but could cause loneliness such as described. If he had AvPD and was also a sociopath--there are so many things and I kind of doubt anyone is going to seize on possible AS as a cause.

I hope I'm not messing up the quotes here. Anyway yeah, paranoid or schizoid do seem to make sense.

The thing is, all this about him being lonely or a loner is all from people who knew him recently. Even if he was that way in high school, it doesn't mean he was always like that. Something could have happened to him, such as abuse, to cause him to become mentally ill. He could have had a brain tumor. He could have had any number eof mental illnesses.

Even if he was an Aspie, AS wouldn't have caused this, but chances are he wasn't, and chances are no one will even say he was except other Aspies.

Someone else mentioned a mass murder in 1996 was later diagnosed with AS. Well, of course there are probably some Aspies who have done horrible things, just like there are many NT's who have done horrible things. They didn't do them because they were AS or NT though. Just because one mass murderer was AS doesn't mean they all were/are, even if they all were loners. Not all loners are Aspies.