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27 Jan 2016, 5:38 pm

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I don't like this idea either, if the sole purpose is to study the monkeys so they can find a cure for us. I'm not interested.


They're NOT forcing you to. Quit being a baby..


I expect if a cure is found it will not be legally forced but tremendous financial and peer pressure will be put on people to take the cure. For example insurance unavailable or unaffordable for refuseniks, employment not available either. I would expect that refusing to take the cure will be taken as a sign of mental illness.

Quit making personal attacks on members.


It just bothers me so much that some of these people think Autism is some sort of special gift. They probably never had to suffer the pain some of us gone through in our lives..
Not wanting a cure is not the same thing as thinking it's a gift. I wouldn't want a 'cure' because I would not know what is changed. "Flowers for Algernon" would be a point of reference. And, maybe that cure creates other problems as well. But I do agree with ASPartOfMe and the assessment of the social consequences. The need for conformity is seems to be rising with the need to 'recognize diversity'...and by the same people. "I can be me all I want....but you need to be like me too..." "What's good for me is not good for thee" and all those other things that are cropping up.



I've talked about a method that would possibly eliminate all the negatives of Autism but wouldn't necessarily affect the person's personality and so many are so quick to judge and say they're either not interested or just bring up the possibility of something going wrong or negative thinking..

I wonder if some of these people are just lazy who want to keep the label so they could continue collecting checks and never work a day in their lives, people like that do exist.. Sorry to be blunt but it annoys me..



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27 Jan 2016, 5:38 pm

zkydz wrote:
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I don't like this idea either, if the sole purpose is to study the monkeys so they can find a cure for us. I'm not interested.


They're NOT forcing you to. Quit being a baby..


I expect if a cure is found it will not be legally forced but tremendous financial and peer pressure will be put on people to take the cure. For example insurance unavailable or unaffordable for refuseniks, employment not available either. I would expect that refusing to take the cure will be taken as a sign of mental illness.

Quit making personal attacks on members.


It just bothers me so much that some of these people think Autism is some sort of special gift. They probably never had to suffer the pain some of us gone through in our lives..
Not wanting a cure is not the same thing as thinking it's a gift. I wouldn't want a 'cure' because I would not know what is changed. "Flowers for Algernon" would be a point of reference. And, maybe that cure creates other problems as well. But I do agree with ASPartOfMe and the assessment of the social consequences. The need for conformity is seems to be rising with the need to 'recognize diversity'...and by the same people. "I can be me all I want....but you need to be like me too..." "What's good for me is not good for thee" and all those other things that are cropping up.



I've talked about a method that would possibly eliminate all the negatives of Autism but wouldn't necessarily affect the person's personality and so many are so quick to judge and say they're either not interested or just bring up the possibility of something going wrong or negative thinking..

I wonder if some of these people are just lazy who want to keep the label so they could continue collecting checks and never work a day in their lives, people like that do exist.. Sorry to be blunt but it annoys me..



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27 Jan 2016, 7:15 pm

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I've talked about a method that would possibly eliminate all the negatives of Autism but wouldn't necessarily affect the person's personality and so many are so quick to judge and say they're either not interested or just bring up the possibility of something going wrong or negative thinking..

I wonder if some of these people are just lazy who want to keep the label so they could continue collecting checks and never work a day in their lives, people like that do exist.. Sorry to be blunt but it annoys me..
Your attitude annoys me. What the hell makes you think that me or anybody else is 'doing this to get free checks'?
1) I work for a living. What the hell makes you think I want free money?

2) Being afraid of something that can potentially damage me is not something to be taken lightly and quite frankly whether you agree or not, do not try to bring it down to laziness.


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28 Jan 2016, 11:33 pm

I'm pro-cure, and I still think this monkey project is dumb and horrible. Most of our impairments aren't relevant to monkeys, and how would you you even measure those traits in monkeys? Are they going to have the monkeys attempt go to job interviews, get jobs, and manage household chores? You can probably figure out how well monkeys are liked by other monkeys, but how can they tell how effectively the monkeys are able to communicate with each other?

As usual, they're just trying to "cure" us of neutral personality traits like infrequent eye contact, and they don't give half a damn about curing our actual problems.


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29 Jan 2016, 9:09 am

BrainPower101 wrote:
I've talked about a method that would possibly eliminate all the negatives of Autism but wouldn't necessarily affect the person's personality and so many are so quick to judge and say they're either not interested or just bring up the possibility of something going wrong or negative thinking..

I wonder if some of these people are just lazy who want to keep the label so they could continue collecting checks and never work a day in their lives, people like that do exist.. Sorry to be blunt but it annoys me..


No need to be an as*hole. Just because we don't want to be assimilated doesn't mean we're lazy. Plus, I've known some very nice people who live off government checks and the prejudice they get is sickening.

As for your method, it makes no freaking sense. There is no way you can eliminate the negatives without affecting the person's personality. It's just logically impossible. Personality is not defined solely by positive traits. And most traits are not objectively positive or negative anyway - it's the context that defines which they are.

For example, the same trait that leads me to get really absorbed in one topic and research it obsessively (an essential part of my personality) also makes me have trouble remembering to do mundane self-care activities. Which means I will most likely need to live with someone else helping me my whole life. But it's impossible to make me easily able to remember to do self-care without also taking away the depth of focus on certain topics.



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29 Jan 2016, 9:46 am

I know history repeats its self every 25 years, but we don't need The Planet of The Apes going on.


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29 Jan 2016, 9:50 am

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29 Jan 2016, 9:56 am

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I know history repeats its self every 25 years, but we don't need The Planet of The Apes going on.
I honestly think it's happening faster now with the near instantaneous feedback removing any collective memory of things.


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31 Jan 2016, 4:52 pm

zkydz wrote:
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I've talked about a method that would possibly eliminate all the negatives of Autism but wouldn't necessarily affect the person's personality and so many are so quick to judge and say they're either not interested or just bring up the possibility of something going wrong or negative thinking..

I wonder if some of these people are just lazy who want to keep the label so they could continue collecting checks and never work a day in their lives, people like that do exist.. Sorry to be blunt but it annoys me..
Your attitude annoys me. What the hell makes you think that me or anybody else is 'doing this to get free checks'?
1) I work for a living. What the hell makes you think I want free money?

2) Being afraid of something that can potentially damage me is not something to be taken lightly and quite frankly whether you agree or not, do not try to bring it down to laziness.


I'm just being honest, and unlike many I try to look at things very objectively and both sides.. You're 55 according to your profile so I'm not worried about what you do with your life, I hope the best of course.

But something as healthy as Sulforaphane helping ASD traits you're gonna turn down? It's not a drug that's going to rewire parts of your brain, besides I don't think anyone was meant to have ASD.. Why do you want to live with a condition that makes life so hard and socially challenging? Maybe those traits don't affect you?



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31 Jan 2016, 5:04 pm

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I've talked about a method that would possibly eliminate all the negatives of Autism but wouldn't necessarily affect the person's personality and so many are so quick to judge and say they're either not interested or just bring up the possibility of something going wrong or negative thinking..

I wonder if some of these people are just lazy who want to keep the label so they could continue collecting checks and never work a day in their lives, people like that do exist.. Sorry to be blunt but it annoys me..


No need to be an as*hole. Just because we don't want to be assimilated doesn't mean we're lazy. Plus, I've known some very nice people who live off government checks and the prejudice they get is sickening.

As for your method, it makes no freaking sense. There is no way you can eliminate the negatives without affecting the person's personality. It's just logically impossible. Personality is not defined solely by positive traits. And most traits are not objectively positive or negative anyway - it's the context that defines which they are.

For example, the same trait that leads me to get really absorbed in one topic and research it obsessively (an essential part of my personality) also makes me have trouble remembering to do mundane self-care activities. Which means I will most likely need to live with someone else helping me my whole life. But it's impossible to make me easily able to remember to do self-care without also taking away the depth of focus on certain topics.


Why wouldn't it be possible to eliminate negative side effects of Autism? You know what they said a few years ago right? That researchers would never find an answer or treatment for Autism, but time and time again proves them wrong. Just like many said we'd never be able to fly because it's physically impossible..

You're a much bigger person than you think, stop limiting yourself and thinking you need help.. You can combat your obsessions while still succeeding in whatever you want..



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31 Jan 2016, 5:33 pm

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Why wouldn't it be possible to eliminate negative side effects of Autism? You know what they said a few years ago right? That researchers would never find an answer or treatment for Autism, but time and time again proves them wrong. Just like many said we'd never be able to fly because it's physically impossible..

You're a much bigger person than you think, stop limiting yourself and thinking you need help.. You can combat your obsessions while still succeeding in whatever you want..


I'm not limiting myself. I'm just not living in a fantasy world. I know my capabilities and I'm working to achieve what I can, instead of pinning my hopes on turning myself into someone else.

As for why it wouldn't be possible to eliminate the negative side effects, you're missing my point. I have no idea if they'll ever find a cure or not. But if they did, it will eliminate both positives and negatives. It's logically impossible for it to only eliminate negatives when the positives and negatives are so linked.

And I can't 'combat my obsessions' and still succeed. My obsessions are why I'm succeeding. If I were to try to combat them, I'd hinder my progress in two ways - by removing the bonus of my obsessions, and by wasting energy fighting my obsessions instead of using that energy to succeed.



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Why wouldn't it be possible to eliminate negative side effects of Autism? You know what they said a few years ago right? That researchers would never find an answer or treatment for Autism, but time and time again proves them wrong. Just like many said we'd never be able to fly because it's physically impossible..

You're a much bigger person than you think, stop limiting yourself and thinking you need help.. You can combat your obsessions while still succeeding in whatever you want..


I'm not limiting myself. I'm just not living in a fantasy world. I know my capabilities and I'm working to achieve what I can, instead of pinning my hopes on turning myself into someone else.

As for why it wouldn't be possible to eliminate the negative side effects, you're missing my point. I have no idea if they'll ever find a cure or not. But if they did, it will eliminate both positives and negatives. It's logically impossible for it to only eliminate negatives when the positives and negatives are so linked.

And I can't 'combat my obsessions' and still succeed. My obsessions are why I'm succeeding. If I were to try to combat them, I'd hinder my progress in two ways - by removing the bonus of my obsessions, and by wasting energy fighting my obsessions instead of using that energy to succeed.


By saying that, it seems you're suggesting you know exactly how the human brain works which obviously nobody knows.
The study found improvements and it was short term, more work is necessary but I don't know why one wouldn't want to. If you're happy with your life that's fine then.



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BrainPower101 wrote:
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BrainPower101 wrote:
Why wouldn't it be possible to eliminate negative side effects of Autism? You know what they said a few years ago right? That researchers would never find an answer or treatment for Autism, but time and time again proves them wrong. Just like many said we'd never be able to fly because it's physically impossible..

You're a much bigger person than you think, stop limiting yourself and thinking you need help.. You can combat your obsessions while still succeeding in whatever you want..


I'm not limiting myself. I'm just not living in a fantasy world. I know my capabilities and I'm working to achieve what I can, instead of pinning my hopes on turning myself into someone else.

As for why it wouldn't be possible to eliminate the negative side effects, you're missing my point. I have no idea if they'll ever find a cure or not. But if they did, it will eliminate both positives and negatives. It's logically impossible for it to only eliminate negatives when the positives and negatives are so linked.

And I can't 'combat my obsessions' and still succeed. My obsessions are why I'm succeeding. If I were to try to combat them, I'd hinder my progress in two ways - by removing the bonus of my obsessions, and by wasting energy fighting my obsessions instead of using that energy to succeed.


By saying that, it seems you're suggesting you know exactly how the human brain works which obviously nobody knows.
The study found improvements and it was short term, more work is necessary but I don't know why one wouldn't want to. If you're happy with your life that's fine then.


Why is it so hard for you to believe that I could know that my strengths and weaknesses are linked? It's kind of obvious that they are. I'm doing the exact same thing and in one situation it hinders me and in another it helps me. Why would it make any sense to think it's separate just because it happens to have a different effect? It's literally the exact same behaviour pattern!



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02 Feb 2016, 4:41 pm

Part of me thinks I should invite my mom to this thread; she's worked for a Chinese biotech firm & now manages FDA clearances for clinical trials. I just don't want any part of these false initiatives anymore.


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05 Feb 2016, 3:09 pm

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How can they be sure that the genetic alteration to these monkeys is the same as the genetic differences that cause autism in humans? They would need to know which genes cause autism in the first place.
I was thinking this too. I also feel sorry for the poor monkeys.


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