Asperger's being diagnosed as Personality disorders.

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07 May 2007, 12:52 pm

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I can't say if the original poster has AS over BPD, but if she's coming here to seek out vindication and using her child as Exhibit A in her case, I would be highly suspicious, because that could potentially be "hallmark" BPD behavior.

But many of us didn't even know about HFA until a child is diagnosed. So I would not see that as suspect, to wonder if genetics are at play when a child is diagnosed. I have seen that same story here on WP many times, and it was the case with me.

As far as "vindication," the psychiatric system is so abusive and troubled that any distance from it, or setting right what was wrongly done to or said about us, can feel like vindication.

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07 May 2007, 12:52 pm

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Could someone explain what flat effect means?

Flat affect means a restricted ability to express or show emotions.

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And what is the definition of borderline personality disorder?

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[edit] DSM criteria
The latest version of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV-TR), the widely-used American Psychiatric Association guide for clinicians seeking to diagnose mental disorders, defines Borderline Personality Disorder ("B.P.D." or BPD) as: "a pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image and affects, as well as marked impulsivity, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts."[1] BPD is classed on "Axis II", as an underlying pervasive or personality condition, rather than "Axis I" for more circumscribed mental disorders. A DSM diagnosis of BPD requires any five out of nine listed criteria to be present for a significant period of time. There are thus 256 different combinations of symptoms that could result in a diagnosis, of which 136 have been found in practice in one study.[2] The criteria are:

Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. [Not including suicidal or self-mutilating behavior covered in Criterion 5]
A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., excessive spending, promiscuous sex, eating disorders, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating, obsession with cosmetic surgery). [Again, not including suicidal or self-mutilating behavior covered in Criterion 5]
Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior.
Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days)
Chronic feelings of emptiness.
Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).
Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline ... #Diagnosis

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I knew a woman who said she was diagnosed with borderline plus about 5 other things. All I knew was she acted crazy. After I mentioned Aspergers to her she insisted suddenly that she was autistic though she had no symptoms of AS that I could see.

I'm not sure you can see that after just a short time, but that does sound a bit like BPD. The "lack of identity" is what seems to drive people with BPD to leap into self-diagnoses and seek medical and psychiatric help repeatedly for one thing after another over and over again.

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07 May 2007, 1:01 pm

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Sorry if I seem defensive, I just noticed that one seemed a bit generalized to "women" and not "some women".

Civet *did* write "Women with AS ... MAY..." - so it's hardly generalising.

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07 May 2007, 1:06 pm

gah, I saw that after I responded and thought "wow, I hope I'm not making an ass out of myself" lol

I didn't look at it as "did or did not" I looked at it as did not for sure vs. ones looking for a different diagnosis because they aren't sure, and saw that with "women" rather than "some women".

sorry bout that-I tend to look too far in sometimes into things, lol, and see what you are saying after looking back on one of my friends. She used to get a new diagnosis every 3-4 months it seemed for a LONG time. She had a LOT of meds, and they made her sleep a lot. I suspected possibly she was feeling crappy and just didn't want to stay awake, but she would make up a lot of what she was going through as she went along, and tell every single person she met about it.

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07 May 2007, 1:12 pm

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gah, I saw that after I responded and thought "wow, I hope I'm not making an ass out of myself" lol

It's very easy to overlook a word like that, and once you read it as one thing, the human brain has the nasty habit of sticking to that until someone points it out - and then suddenly "Aha!"

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07 May 2007, 1:13 pm

lol, yep-makes for fun times :oops:

my only question is since my psych knows I have been diagnosed with BPD, and have some bad crap that happened in my past, I keep on wondering if my psych is gonna look at my other behaviors or blow 'em off :roll:

right now my bf is writing down things that have happened (what I was actually upset about at the time I got upset), things I do such as opening the door when he gets here and not saying anything at all, not saying "bye" for myself, constant leg bouncing-stuff like that, so that I can take it in to show that he's been with me 2 years and I've ALWAYS done these things, lol, that I'm not just making them up to "fit" the diagnosis or anything.

I do think I may have BPD traits, but it's surely not full-blown BPD.

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07 May 2007, 1:28 pm

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Well after reading about BPD that seems very accurate for her. She had a different man every week and had been married 3 or 4 times. It was real weird too because she said she filed for bankruptsy yet she still would buy dinner several times a week for 30+ people at work. She was constantly bringing in food to feed us all. It made no sense. It was like she was trying to buy friendship. She also had a terrible Ebay addiction and had an extra bedroom she used as a closest for all her clothes. The fact that she could so easily get a different date every week made her not sound like an Aspie to me. Sure AS females tend to date more than the guys, but even we often prefer to be alone for weeks at a time. (or longer) She seemed to crave getting an new diagnosis all the time as if it was a way to make it ok to hurt people like she did. She was very emotionally abusive, her kids hated her and she had me reprimanded by a supervisor because I told her point blank she wasn't autistic. She also had me written up for refusing to talk to her which caused me not to get much of a pay raise this year.

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07 May 2007, 10:34 pm

I was told before that all my problems came from being "codependant", and that I just had to work on "fixing" myself to not be so, learn to be "normal", and deal with people in the way I now know as NT.

This dx came due to being extremely niave, taking everything literally and believing everyone/everything, taking everything said in a literal context, being overly trusting, which included a long history of the types of people I used to be easily taken advantage of or mistreated by.

I now know this is all due to being "me" as an aspie. Before I'd read endless self-help books on recognizing and understanding abuse, bullying, etc., but it never helped much and I'd end up continually confused and started seeing everyone in that context, as most NTs tend to be much less honest and more manipulative.

I'm now much better since knowing I'm an aspie, and I have a better understanding of myself and can deal accordingly in the appropriate manner that works for me.

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08 May 2007, 3:58 am

A hallmark of 'flat affect' is that people with it generally don't show their emotions in their faces (phrased awkwardly, but you know what I mean - sorry, I'm tired ).

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08 May 2007, 10:49 am

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A hallmark of 'flat affect' is that people with it generally don't show their emotions in their faces (phrased awkwardly, but you know what I mean - sorry, I'm tired

Yeah but that's also a symptom of Aspergers.

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08 May 2007, 12:18 pm

From what I have read, Asperger's and schizoid personality disorder are included in differential diagnoses.

Since neither have a decent outcome, it really doesn't matter what the names of the collective symptoms are; they are both the way the person is.

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08 May 2007, 12:21 pm

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Yep sounds like it...

There was this case on the news a few years ago here in the UK where a daughter supposedly had AS but there's no way that was AS - she was CLASSIC Borderline: Addicted to shopping, reckless, driving her parents to attempt suicide - I think the mother survived - because of her incessant blackmailing attempts (threatened to kill herself if they didn't give her more money or fulfil her demands etc.), manipulative as all hell.

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08 May 2007, 12:25 pm

I hope that my son can find happiness even with having Asperger's. This is what any parent wants for their kids.

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08 May 2007, 1:50 pm

I've been told by many people that I have a very stong personality. I wonder if that's a weakness?

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08 May 2007, 2:00 pm

It can, I think, be a double edged sword. Sometimes working for you and sometime against.

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08 May 2007, 6:21 pm

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TrishC7 wrote:

A hallmark of 'flat affect' is that people with it generally don't show their emotions in their faces (phrased awkwardly, but you know what I mean - sorry, I'm tired

Yeah but that's also a symptom of Aspergers.

I didn't mean to give the impression it wasn't; it can be a symptom in a number of disorders, including bipolar, etc. . . . .

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