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22 Apr 2016, 8:06 pm

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I've seen these sorts of attitudes before. I find them absolutely disgusting.

As people seriously thinking it, rather than just entertaining it as a fun idea?

Or do you find it disgusting that people would talk about it in a light-hearted fashion?

I forbid myself from taking that dangerous idea seriously. As I said I was semi-serious. Even so, we are learning that auti and aspie types have contributed disproportionately to the intellectual advancement of the human race. As Temple Grandin once remarked the best spear and arrow point possibly were made by cro-magnon aspies who obsessively fiddled with points while the neurotypicals were singing and dancing together. Our kind is an integral and important part of the human race, even if we are only one or two percent of the population

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22 Apr 2016, 8:12 pm

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Except of course that evolution doesn't work that way. It's just trial and error, and boy are there lots of errors.

Ironically feelings of self-superiority are a very "human" trait some Aspies and NTs share.

I feel different to normal people, some people cope with that feeling differently to others.

The one and only criterion for evolution is a higher rate of survival and reproductive success. Nature does not care about our moral virtues. She only cares about reproductive success. On that count Aspies and Auties are not likely to become the champions reproductive success --- maybe. But then again there is the outrbreak of syndrome babies in Silicon Valley as discussed by Silberman in the Wired Magazine article -- "The Geek Syndrome"

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22 Apr 2016, 8:13 pm

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i try not to be insufferable.

So do I, but I do not always succeed.

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23 Apr 2016, 1:09 pm

BaalChatzaf wrote:

ArielsSong wrote:

AJisHere wrote:

I've seen these sorts of attitudes before. I find them absolutely disgusting.

As people seriously thinking it, rather than just entertaining it as a fun idea?

Or do you find it disgusting that people would talk about it in a light-hearted fashion?

Honestly, I think the idea that all NTs did was sing and dance is misleading. It feeds into the rather ridiculous views some people tout - I assume either out of anger to to make themselves feel better about their difficulties - that NTs are somewhat vapid beings who do nothing but participate in meaningless exchanges.

The truth is that, just like everyone else, NTs range in ability. There are many very intelligent NTs out there and there is no reason that they couldn't have discovered spears.

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23 Apr 2016, 1:26 pm

ConceptuallyCurious wrote:

BaalChatzaf wrote:

ArielsSong wrote:

AJisHere wrote:

I've seen these sorts of attitudes before. I find them absolutely disgusting.

As people seriously thinking it, rather than just entertaining it as a fun idea?

Or do you find it disgusting that people would talk about it in a light-hearted fashion?

Until someone comes up with definite, qualified observation of who made the first spear, wheel and fire and all that other crap before Asperger got to work, well, it's all frog wings and angel farts to me.

They have a difficult enough time diagnosing the people in front of them as it is.

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23 Apr 2016, 1:35 pm

Asperger chauvinist?

No.

Asperger surpremacist ....absolutely!

I burn a cross on the front lawn of the home of every NT family that moves into my neighborhood!

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23 Apr 2016, 8:58 pm

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As KraftieKortie said, we are just another variation of humanity. Over time and across populations we still fall into the "normal" bucket. As do low functioning Autistics. I'm not yet convinced that we are any different from them except for severity and that we got lucky and have some skills that allow us to have an easier time surviving in a NT world.

I do find it interesting that many animals have what would be considered Autistic behaviors if they were observed in humans. I also find it fascinating that NT's & extroverts have so many traits that would be detrimental to survival if not for strength in numbers.

There are far more NT people than Autistics - and we haven't "taken over" - genetically. That pretty much refutes us being the "next step" in evolution.

I think it was a mistake for the USA to take away the category Asperger's as when I see low functioning Autistics who can never communicate and are mentally ret*d I don't feel any connection to them. How can somebody who can't do hardly anything independently without harming themselves and have to wear helmets because of banging their head have anything in common with geniuses like Einstein who they say had Asperger's? Also Hans Asperger description isn't anything like low functioning Autistics.
I think people with Asperger's are neotonous, as with humans who take longer to develop than apes because they're more evolved. Asperger's people take longer to develop, then get mentally scarred and have no confidence from being told they're a problem and not normal for their development age. Many Asperger's people are shy and have no confidence from the years of being bullied and told they're not normal etc.

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26 Apr 2016, 4:34 pm

BaalChatzaf wrote:

As Temple Grandin once remarked the best spear and arrow point possibly were made by cro-magnon aspies who obsessively fiddled with points while the neurotypicals were singing and dancing together.

... and people wonder why I'm in no hurry to get around to reading her stuff.

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26 Apr 2016, 4:59 pm

Wow I've never heard this theory nor do I know how to react to it o-o

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26 Apr 2016, 5:03 pm

BaalChatzaf wrote:

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Ha, I've entertained the idea both ways - that we could be a step forward, or a step back.

Long, long ago, humans were solitary creatures. Then, we evolved to become more sociable and to seek to group together. Arguably, we're what remains of the solitary human that never gained that ability to connect and group.

But then, I definitely think the world is working more in our favour at the moment. I don't think we're more advanced, but I do think that modern societies are changing to need, require and involve less face-to-face and social interaction, and that some NT people will struggle with that whilst it suits many autistic people quite well. So arguably we'll see a time in the not-too-distant future when people with autism actually might be amongst the strongest and most suited to society. Possibly.

Humans were never solitary. It is biologically impossible. Virtually all humans have mothers who care for them for extended periods of time. If humans were solitary we would never have developed speech.

Humans ceased to be "solitary" LONG before we became human. Probably before we even became primates.

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26 Apr 2016, 5:04 pm

Baal....why do I get the feeling you live near Eastern Parkway? LOL

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