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28 Apr 2016, 9:24 am

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I have always considered myself to be a terribly stupid individual, and my C grades at school validates this perception of mine.
That is wrong on so many levels I cannot not begin to tell you. But, I shall try a couple with real world examples that you can take to heart.

I was the one who should have been the stellar scholar. I had Ds, Fs and Cs. They never tried to reach me.

My brother has a learning disability. Took 7.5 years to graduate college. Mostly average to below average grades.

He is now a licensed Practical Mechanical Engineer in 7 or 8 states (keep changing upwards), been published in the trade magazine "Chemical Engineering" several times and is running his own department and helping 3 others making 6 solid figures at a good company.

Do not equate yourself on just some metric.


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28 Apr 2016, 9:44 am

..and a certain Albert was considered to be a bit slow in the upper compartment at school....how wrong, they were!


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28 Apr 2016, 10:28 am

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..and a certain Albert was considered to be a bit slow in the upper compartment at school....how wrong, they were!

I don't think they know how to measure people as a whole, let alone measure us.


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28 Apr 2016, 10:35 am

I know the feeling. I wake up everyday feeling like a worthless piece of crap, and stupid. But , when I took an IQ test, I scored REALLY high. The reason I feel this way, is because I was abused my whole life. Physical, and mental. People tell me I'm stupid, due to my lack of any common sense. I know science, computers, theory, and gaming. That's it. So, don't be down on yourself, my friend.



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28 Apr 2016, 10:43 am

JonOssim1337 wrote:
...The reason I feel this way, is because I was abused my whole life. Physical, and mental. People tell me I'm stupid, due to my lack of any common sense. I know science, computers, theory, and gaming. That's it.
And, you don't have to score high for this to happen. It's just demeaning and fruitless. It's what happens though. And, I think we all have suffered from it.

It wouldn't matter if someone was low, average or high. Each would present a different situation, but the mechanisms and social responses won't change.


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28 Apr 2016, 11:49 am

I took an IQ test recently and scored 148. For context, my mom told me that 160 is genius level. But maybe that's just me.



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28 Apr 2016, 11:53 am

Actually, 130 is superior intelligence. And when I took an IQ test, it could only go to 140. So anything past it was pretty much Einstein, I guess. Hahaha so congrats. You have the IQ that of a physics master.



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28 Apr 2016, 11:54 am

That is really high Kenya. That's cool.


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28 Apr 2016, 11:58 am

Don't those test numbers change depending on the tests used?

Some 130 is genius
some 140
some measure up to 180 as a high score

I dunno.....

Kinda wonder what Einstein's scores were when young.


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28 Apr 2016, 12:08 pm

From what I've researched, 130 is always superior. The test I took couldn't measure PAST 140. So, I'm sure it was higher than that. I just notice that people with genius intellect have no common sense. Like myself. But, then again, I delete unimportant information so that I can store more important information in my head.



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28 Apr 2016, 12:10 pm

zkydz wrote:
JakeASD wrote:
I have always considered myself to be a terribly stupid individual, and my C grades at school validates this perception of mine.
That is wrong on so many levels I cannot not begin to tell you. But, I shall try a couple with real world examples that you can take to heart.

I was the one who should have been the stellar scholar. I had Ds, Fs and Cs. They never tried to reach me.

Do not equate yourself on just some metric.


Sighing here-
I think about what was so wrong with my schooling and it makes me cringe and I tutor sometimes and it makes me down right angry to see students AGAIN still treated so poorly like they are trash and the way they feel in school and how much the achieve doesn't seem to matter- but that's a side note...
Anyway,
I look back at my test scores and there was CLEARLY something wrong and no one did anything. Moreover, I spent SO MUCH of my time confused and afraid because I am realizing I have some intense receptive language processing issues : /. And I just had a problem with receptive language as a kid- I would literally score (on those national tests) at the 37% for my age group in for example understanding of language like the grammar and mechanics and such but then again literally scored off the charts in 99% for vocabulary and science sections- which to me made little sense. But clearly when u see a kid like that you change the curriculum and help them- no they just told me I was an idiot and I never paid attention and that I was stupid and being in school was worthless for me. I wasn't tryin and I should be ashamed- blah blah blah.
But then it made me so angry to see them Doing that to the kid I was helping because she was really bright but had some problems- I intercepted and told them what was really going on but still they basically did almost nothing to help her >___>...
I hate how they judge people so terribly.
But it makes me really think about all these ideas they have about non-verbal people, that they don't have anything to say or aren't thinking when that's probably not the case...
I remember not talking and being non-verbal (only a little bit though) and just idk I just never talked lol but I was processing what was around me...
All this rambling to say an IQ score or test score or any metric really doesn't give you a full picture of someone. It can be helpful sometimes I think but it doesn't capture a lot of stuff. The numbers are indicative of something, however, they aren't the end of the game.



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28 Apr 2016, 12:11 pm

Yeah I think they can vary depending on the specific tests. I have heard different numbers for different levels as well. In fact, I think according to some tests, Kenya might be considered genius level. It's fun to look at the numbers.


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28 Apr 2016, 12:17 pm

Unfortunate Aspie, I know how you feel, my friend. My mom had me diagnosed with HFA when I was 5. I scored off the charts all my life in fields such as science, and language. But, my mom had horrible taste in men. My stepfather, and his family, and my half SISTER mind you would all physically abuse me, and mentally abuse me. They made me feel like the most insignificant lifeform in the universe. I still suffer from the psychological damage. He hated me literally, because I was smarter than him at such a young age. I was treated terribly ALL THROUGHOUT school too. That's why I dropped out. Now I spend my life coming up with theories and playing with Legos.



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28 Apr 2016, 12:20 pm

I´ve felt rotten and stupid too, so I made IQ test a sport :)
In my Wais, I score9 130 in a couple of disciplines, 120 in others, 110 in math and below normal in social understanding.
I was told, that 130 was "roof" in that test (which I can´t understand, when I look at the tables) and I "did" 123, but the tester thought, I could go higher, if I didn´t block and use wrong strategies - like in exams.
I have scored between 124 to 136 in others (mensa hometests).
At the real Danish Mensa I scored 120, but I was so nervous, I couldn´t hold the pencil.
I´m a member of High Intelligence society, that demands a + 126 (their own test)....and basically is a business-club.
I might take a real test with a psychologist and NO TIME-PRESSURE! - my worst enemy!

It is all very much a question of strategy, the right day, the best period and - and - and-
I personally think, I will eventually land on 126-7, - perhaps. That´s where the average Phd. would - approximately.


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28 Apr 2016, 12:21 pm

I hate it when they treat teaching as a once size fits all. It is so important to just get to know each student and understand how he learns and thinks and what his individual needs are. If you can do that you can teach anyone almost anything. When I taught swimming, other instructors would wonder how I could get four year olds doing perfect butterfly undulations or why I am so successful at treating and helping people overcome fear of the water that I was able to become a specialist in that. My answer is that I throw the instruction book out the window. I just love my students and I get to know them and so I am able to teach them as they are specifically able to learn. We make a heart to heart connection and that opens it up so that the skills are just transferred naturally and any challenges they have can be overcome because I take the time to understand them. Then I can come up with creative ways that actually work so that they can learn the skill. But if you just stick to the test scores and books and never make the investment in actually getting to really know your student, you will not have much success. You will be so caught up in your own agenda that you will become frustrated and take your frustrations out on your student. You will blame the student for not being able to learn when the reality is that you just don't know how to teach. It's one thing to regurgitate book methods, it's quite another thing to connect with a person and pass on skill and knowledge from your heart.


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28 Apr 2016, 12:23 pm

Well I suck again because I have never scored high on any IQ test.


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