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10 May 2016, 2:43 pm

teksla wrote:
Or get this: When you die you die for real and when your parents had sex you were conceived.

this one seems like the most probable possibility to me.



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10 May 2016, 5:12 pm

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I believe in reincarnation. I believe that I was a soldier in my past life. I don't need scientific data to know this, because I feel it in my soul. I feel that not everything needs to be backed by scientific data.


That's rather convenient .

If you Google reincarnation there are literally thousands of similar claims , usually people stating that they were famous people or brave , courageous warriors , Mozart or Brahms or whatever ... There aren't many people claiming to be recarnnated toilet cleaners or sewarage workers ... odd !?!?



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10 May 2016, 6:33 pm

Zizu58 wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I believe in reincarnation. I believe that I was a soldier in my past life. I don't need scientific data to know this, because I feel it in my soul. I feel that not everything needs to be backed by scientific data.


That's rather convenient .

If you Google reincarnation there are literally thousands of similar claims , usually people stating that they were famous people or brave , courageous warriors , Mozart or Brahms or whatever ... There aren't many people claiming to be recarnnated toilet cleaners or sewarage workers ... odd !?!?


In CockneyRebels defense, you don't have to be famous to be a soldier and as riddled with wars as human history is, if someone was actually recalling a past life, the events a soldier would witness seem like they would be some of the easiest to recall.



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10 May 2016, 6:34 pm

Zizu58 wrote:
If you Google reincarnation there are literally thousands of similar claims, usually people stating that they were famous people or brave, courageous warriors, Mozart or Brahms or whatever ... There aren't many people claiming to be recarnnated toilet cleaners or sewarage workers ... odd !?!?
Not odd at all. If you're going to fantasize, do it in a big way.

Every "reincarnated" person I've ever talked to told me that they were a famous historical person. This was especially so when I worked as a "psychic".

Three or four claimed to be Joan de'Arc, for example. Two were George Washington, five were Pocahontas, two were Simon Peter (no one claimed to be Judas Iscariot, though), and no less than three claimed to be Nicola Tesla.

Not one ever claimed to be a miner, a slave, a prostitute, a gardener, a pig-herder, or anything ordinary.

No one.



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10 May 2016, 6:57 pm

<--- Slug in his former life.


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10 May 2016, 7:13 pm

How can a metal disc have a soul?



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10 May 2016, 7:18 pm

Ba-doom pssh!


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10 May 2016, 11:13 pm

As a Christian, I have struggled with the concepts of fate, grace, and predestination, which mean that life isn't actually fair.

Some people do claim to have menial, past lives.

Yet, it is written that the Earth can cry out (psychic impression?) and the demons do reincarnate.

In theory, many people may remember the same person, contemporaneously.

Notorious or traumatic energies may have a stronger effect.



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11 May 2016, 6:14 am

friedmacguffins wrote:
As a Christian, I have struggled with the concepts of fate, grace, and predestination, which mean that life isn't actually fair. Some people do claim to have menial, past lives. Yet, it is written that the Earth can cry out (psychic impression?) and the demons do reincarnate. In theory, many people may remember the same person, contemporaneously. Notorious or traumatic energies may have a stronger effect.
Life isn't fair - "Yet man is born to trouble as surely as sparks fly upward" (Job 5:7). Who are these "some people", and where is their proof? Where is it written? Mythology and speculation prove nothing.



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11 May 2016, 6:56 am

Never close the door without properly investigating the evidence
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/fe ... past-lives
http://www.godwin-home-page.net/Short-P ... ebirth.htm



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11 May 2016, 8:04 am

Sure, but none of that has scientific evidence. I could claim that my neighbors puppy used to be my very beloved guinea pig, or that i used to be a parrot expert since i am so interested by them. Bottom line is: you cannot prove it is real, which is why it is considered not real in the scientific community. Same with god and all that other crap.


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11 May 2016, 8:17 am

Belief proves nothing. Anecdotes and testimonies prove nothing. Popular opinion proves nothing. Without hard evidence, nothing is proven.

The door is not closed on the subject; but I don't hear anyone knocking on it, either.



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11 May 2016, 8:32 am

teksla wrote:
Sure, but none of that has scientific evidence. I could claim that my neighbors puppy used to be my very beloved guinea pig, or that i used to be a parrot expert since i am so interested by them. Bottom line is: you cannot prove it is real, which is why it is considered not real in the scientific community. Same with god and all that other crap.



Exactly .


Slight tangent but just look at Uri fecking Geller ..... he's always banging on about amazing , unexplained things yet he's been PROVEN many times to be a complete charlatan and cheating conman .



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11 May 2016, 12:54 pm

I find that subject interesting. Is there not even a kind of 'scientific' research in the US on that matter? I mean scientific in the sense that stories are collected and evaluated and so on, of course such things will never be really proven scientifically, because how could they. I've read some of the stories and watched videos about it, and though I'm all for the scepticism, I must say, most of those I've seen didn't claim to have been famous persons or special. In India for example the belief in reincarnation is quite common and having memories about it is not regarded as anything very special at all, as far as I know. Also there are cases where babies/toddlers who weren't even able to speak suddenly uttered some fluent sentences about their past lives, and afterwards just got back to not talking again (i.e. just the baby talk). I do wonder what that's all about.



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11 May 2016, 2:51 pm

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I find that subject interesting. Is there not even a kind of 'scientific' research in the US on that matter? I mean scientific in the sense that stories are collected and evaluated and so on, of course such things will never be really proven scientifically, because how could they. I've read some of the stories and watched videos about it, and though I'm all for the scepticism, I must say, most of those I've seen didn't claim to have been famous persons or special. In India for example the belief in reincarnation is quite common and having memories about it is not regarded as anything very special at all, as far as I know. Also there are cases where babies/toddlers who weren't even able to speak suddenly uttered some fluent sentences about their past lives, and afterwards just got back to not talking again (i.e. just the baby talk). I do wonder what that's all about.



I've seen numerous program on that type of thing you just touched on . They're all just made up stories with no actual proof or evidence . They just prey on the more gullible types sadly .



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11 May 2016, 3:00 pm

I might get flack for this because I am Pagan, but many people in my community believe the spirit and the soul to be separate energies, which is why the soul can move on to reincarnate, and the spirit lingers behind in the spiritual realm. So essentially we have many spirits over many past lives, but it is only the soul that we carry with us.

Reincarnation is a deeply discussed topic in my group, and most of the discussions are very philosophical. No one has the "complete" answer, of course. Many of us are just as skeptical about it as any non-metaphysical people.


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