Call for a deletion of a word from existence

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ghotistix
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28 May 2005, 7:29 am

We can only expect a term to be unanimously accepted if it has no connotations or resemblance to any other word, especially swears. We must make one up! Which I shall do right now: Flurgies.



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28 May 2005, 12:15 pm

it's better than ass***.... that's what i normally get



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28 May 2005, 3:08 pm

Captain_Brain wrote:
Well...I was waiting for someone to pick out the hidden point in my message but it seems nobody can read between the lines.


Any "hidden point" or implication raised in the original post is one hundred percent lost on me, and I'm usually pretty good at that for someone diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome.



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28 May 2005, 4:52 pm

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I can't stand when people call something 'gay' when they don't like it or think it's stupid. It is derogatory. Originally 'gay' meant happy, then it became slang for a homosexual person. I can easily see how that came to be. Gay (meaning homosexual) became the vernacular. The gay people I've met prefer the word 'gay' rather than 'homosexual'. Then (not that long ago) bigots who think that gay people are lesser beings started using it in regards to something they viewed with distaste or abhorrence. Now some people (who may not actually have anything against gay people) use the word in that way and don't even think about what they are actually saying. Please, if you think something stupid or hate something, then say 'that's stupid' or 'I hate that'.


Well...I was waiting for someone to pick out the hidden point in my message but it seems nobody can read between the lines.


Sorry if that rant had nothing to do with your actual intent. I just had to get that off my chest. Captain_Brain, could you please explain your original intent?

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In private conversation, I usually use some variant of "faygeleh" or "Bundle of sticks" (I just discovered some really cool trivia about the word's origin ) or some other idiom.


If you find the origins for those words interesting, I think I have some information that you would like. Did you know that the Yiddish word 'faygeleh' has no relation to 'fag' or 'fa***t'? 'Faygeleh' actually means 'little bird'. Some of my Jewish relatives told me that.



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28 May 2005, 5:14 pm

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28 May 2005, 9:00 pm

Bec wrote:
Sorry if that rant had nothing to do with your actual intent. I just had to get that off my chest. Captain_Brain, could you please explain your original intent?


Well I purposefully used the word gay in my post as that word is incredibly volatile and I thought it was a good example of how words need to be chosen carefully.

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...At least until it receives the same derogatory connotation that "n****r" did and "Aspie" is likely to get.


"n****r" literally meant black object i think it was in Spanish. No surprise that those Spanish slave makers decided to use it to describe their African slaves. Of course this term moved throughout the southern states of America (another word of Spanish origin).

But then the urban black Americans started calling each other n****r as an affectionate name. Myself and my other non-conformist friends (none of us are black), call each other n****r as an affectionate name every now and again.

So I'd say it was derogatory but now it's not really derogatory any more, unless you're an @n@lly-retentative honkie who should have died before your parents were born.



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28 May 2005, 9:32 pm

Here's my opinion:

For now, "aspie" has medicial overtones, functioning as a cutesy term for a medical condition. However, serious consequences are likely to result if that term is mainstreamed. Basically, that term should not be used outside the Asperger's community, much like the N-word is not used outside of inner-city areas with large Afro-American populations.

If mainstreamed, the word "aspie" is likely to become just another label that NTs use against us, much like "ret*d" and "gay" (homosexual) are used now.



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29 May 2005, 2:22 am

Bec wrote:
If you find the origins for those words interesting, I think I have some information that you would like. Did you know that the Yiddish word 'faygeleh' has no relation to 'fag' or 'fa***t'? 'Faygeleh' actually means 'little bird'. Some of my Jewish relatives told me that.


I was aware that faygeleh has been used in both contexts. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find any information on the evolution of the word from refering to a bird to refering to a homosexual. I'm unlikely to anytime soon as I am generations removed from any Jewish reletaives.

I'm trying to verify another story about the origin of the word dating back to the inqusition. Suposedly, when a homosexual was condmned to be burned at the stake, he was forced to gather the bundles of sticks that would be used to start the fire. Considering that this was the time of the inquisition, sticks eventually ended up short in supply, they supposedly ended up thrpowing multiple homosexuals and/or heretics in the fire to get it going, then burned the witches last, and the word "fagot" became used as a threat. This could explain the term "flaming fagot". :lol:

We are getting hung up on the usage of the word "gay" when "Aspie" is the word in question, though the word "Aspie" could just as easily aquire the same derogatory definition as "gay".



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29 May 2005, 2:32 am

hale_bopp wrote:
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How about extreme-nerd?


How about NO.


Maybe "extreme nerd" should be considered as a possible name in some Eurpoean languages at least until a group of people fluent in each respective language can determine how well it translates and would be accepted in each culture it would be used in. I don't think it works in English, but I used to know a German exchange student ,who ,in retrospect, was probably shadow AS, who would sometimes describe things in a similar manner. Maybe it would work in German, at least?



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29 May 2005, 5:59 am

I don't see anything particularly wrong with Aspie.

Nicknames like "Aspergian" sound rediculous and have the same potential for abuse. ANY nickname will have potential for abuse. If you don't have a nickname, abusers will make one up. I was called "spaz" for years even though I'm not spastic.

Aside from the verbosity of terms like "person with Asperger's Syndrome" (which could *still* be abused), that particular type of phrase implies that AS is merely something I have instead of something I am, which plays into the hands of the curebies who think autism is a disease and that there's a completely different person inside my head desperately trying to get out.

If you *really* hate the term Aspie, tell people you are autistic.


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29 May 2005, 9:22 pm

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Basically, that term should not be used outside the Asperger's community, much like the N-word is not used outside of inner-city areas with large Afro-American populations.


The "N-Word" is used by plenty of white people at my school. And I can tell you that a lot of them have never even met any black people before. The nicest word I can use for them here is "posers" or "wankstas".

Anyways, Aspie is annoying. Being a teenager, the first thing that comes to mind is Ass-Pie. And then I might end up googling it. I just did, and amazingly, porn didn't turn up. Going on, I don't know what we could use. We could use the "ger" part of Asperger's. "Ger's". Just some thoughts. :D


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29 May 2005, 9:56 pm

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And then I might end up googling it. I just did, and amazingly, porn didn't turn up.

That is amazing! :lol: I wasn't aware that there were any terms left that didn't return porn. :?



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29 May 2005, 10:45 pm

I use the word "gay" all the time when something sucks. I don't mean to offend people with it... I have nothing against homosexuals whatsoever.



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30 May 2005, 1:57 am

Sean wrote:
I can't seem to find any information on the evolution of the word from refering to a bird to refering to a homosexual.


I've puzzled over this myself from time to time.

But when I read the following definition, things got slightly clearer:

Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary wrote:
2fag n 2 a : an English public-school boy who acts as servant to another


*sigh* I love dictionaries



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30 May 2005, 2:29 pm

I prefer to say Person with Asperger's Syndrome. It's to the point and it concentrates on the Individual before the condition.



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30 May 2005, 11:21 pm

Ok, I've given it some thought, and came up with how NTs might turn any AS-related term against us. Here's a partial list.
AS ---> ass
Asperger ---> ass-burger
Aspie ---> ass-pie
ASer ---> asser
Aspergian ---> no term, but has alien-like overtones

It seems that it's the first two letters of the word "asperger" that lead to NTs' derogatory remarks.

Maybe we should petition to the medical community for them to change the name of our medical condition. As a second choice, you could simply say you have a communication disability.