Neonazis and Aspies?

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It is in chapter 32 of the book.

There were blind and deaf units of Hitler Youth

Disabilty in 20 Century German Culture

blind and deaf people were allowed to join Hitler Youth if thier blindness and deafness was not inherited
Hitler Youth - Growing up in Hitler's Shadow

I wonder if psychopaths can have symptoms of Asperger's? Frankie took things literal, he got obsessive, he was picky about his food, didn't like his head rubbed, he had anger issues so he had notes all over the house to remind him how to calm down. He also had ADHD and I have read about a connection between ADHD and ASPD that if a kid has ADHD, they have a chance for ASPD. Of course I am not going to fear all ADHD kids thinking they will turn out to be psychopaths.

I found this interesting information about Dr. Asperger in Vienna during WWII.

https://www.quora.com/How-were-autistic-people-treated-in-Nazi-Germany

I believe that the thinking now is that psychopaths have a personality disorder. Autism Spectrum Disorder is consider a developmental disorder which affects different areas of the brain. I'm not an expert, so I don't know. I have read that personality disorders take years of talk therapy to get better. I believe that Behavioral Therapy is the most effective treatment for Autism. But that's a layman's opinion. Talk therapy doesn't work.

https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/personalitydisorders.html

I always cringe slightly at the way articles by the all-knowing NT experts describe autism as a "developmental disorder", which broadly means something that develops in childhood. In truth Autism is neurological, not developmental, and a form of neurological difference that is innate, one is born with it, it is inherent not developmental. It doesn't develop in childhood, it manifests in childhood. That's a pretty significant difference!

I often wonder why as a significantly sized group we tolerate these misrepresentations which are never, ever, to our benefit. I think we need a thread about this..

It is true that the negative impacts of our neurology may develop to a greater degree over time, a fact that stems from all sorts of factors, not least misunderstanding, mistreatment, prejudice, foolish and sometime harmful "treatments", othering, misdiagnosis and ignorance. However that still doesn't transform what is a neurological difference into a developmental disorder.

The experts have parroted the DD explanation so often that they have hijacked accurate representation and it seems to have become very entrenched, yet no-one challenges it..

But it is a developmental disorder. All of the "quirks" of people on the Autism Spectrum are actually part of normal human development. With NT's these developmental stages "go underground" via the pruning stages of the brain. With the ASD's, these developmental stages don't go away. In other words, NT kids also go through a stage of toe-walking, stimming, etc., but these go away when the brain sheds a lot of connections at around 18 months.

I don't see it from the standpoint of your certainty at all! The "over-pruning" hypothesis is a theory, and a relatively recent one. It sprang out of an earlier supposition about the cause of schizophrenia, and an unrelated observation that some ASD people have large heads! None of those theories have a body of evidence that could create any confidence at this stage. Even the promoters of the over-pruning hypothesis acknowledge that they don't have the means of observing such in-vivo changes over time as they are taking place, and without that evidence, it will remain a theory.

Theories are just theories until there is a conclusive body of VALID evidence, and many which were once accepted as determining "facts" of autism are today thoroughly discredited (as Steve Silberman so eloquently noted in his recent book Neurotribes).

The other important issue is the conflation of causes with effects. Suppose for a moment that the Over-pruning hypothesis is real, yet occurs only in people who are born on the ASD spectrum. Were that so, then the pruning factor would be a developmental facet, a side effect of having an innate neurological type, not a primal causative factor of autism.

In reductionist science you see the conflation of cause with effect very often, even from some very experienced researchers.

Well, I don't have the time to argue with you, so I'm bowing out.

Racism, classism or other bigotry isn't bad itself when it's only an opinion. It's just bigotry, which pretty much everyone partakes in to some extent; hell, the OP is doing it by not accepting different opinions.

It's only a problem when it crosses over into abuse.

Anger issues are just as common in psychopaths as they are with people on the spectrum, and the head rubbing could fit into that. Being literal, obsessive, and picky aren't though, but those don't necessarily mean someone is autistic. There is also a correlation between ASD and APD ONLY where there is also ADHD in addition to autism, so he's probably in that group if he does have the social problems of autism as well.



A personality disorder means someone has such a personality so that it interferes with functioning, and thus it's seen as something adults have. A developmental disorder is something that effects how someone grows up, and thus it's scene as problem children have. At least that's what the terms are supposed to mean. Truth is both autism and psychopathy are neurological conditions which exist on a spectrum and their severity is impacted by socialization/trauma as well as neurology. The difference in classification probably more reflects how and when it is recognized as causing disorder than the fundamental nature of the condition.

So behavioral therapy could work on psychopaths?

Back to my original point the so called less severe or HFA autistics probably got in trouble in Nazi Germany because of lack of groupthink rather then bieng "mental defectives". Since Neonazi would have been just Nazi then there is a pretty good chance he would have fit in enough.

I wouldn't think so because in therapy, they just learn what behaviors are obvious so they learn to hide them better and they learn about empathy and will learn to fake that to exploit and they just figure out a better way to act to hide their behavior better and they get better at manipulation. It's the same with narcissism too. That is why therapy makes these people worse.

Reminds me when my ex would say to me "I don't want to be a control freak so I am not going to tell you to do this" but yet he would get upset with me but say "I don't want to be a control freak" and also telling me "I don't want you to change because I want you to, I only want you to change only if you want to, I don't want to be a control freak." But yet I still felt like he wanted me to change or else he would ignore me. See what he did here? I suspect he has been called a control freak so he learned to hide it better by saying he doesn't want to be one and telling me he doesn't want me to change unless I want to. So calling narcissists out on their behavior makes them act worse because they learn to hide it better because you had pointed out to them what behavior they do is so obvious. That is why I keep reading never call out a narcissist on their behavior or even tell them they are one. Even therapists won't tell their patients they are a narcissist. Instead they keep the diagnoses to themselves. I hear it's very difficult to get treatment for these disorders because it's so difficult to treat.

There is a lot of overlap between narcissism and psychopathy because they both lack empathy and exploit people and they both have anger issues, except narcissists are not impulsive. I don't think my ex was a psychopath, only a narcissist.