my social difficulties seem different than many of yours
I don't have much confidence around people. For the most part, it's been a long and painful process of learning the hidden rules of interaction, but as I've built up some knowledge.. I mean, how people look when they react a certain way, what they mean when they speak with a certain tone or inflection, a million different details that I've had to assimilate.
The results have paid off, but I acknowledge that having to process them on a conscious level where normal people just go and do things, this puts me at a disadvantage most of the time. Other people don't seem to notice my mistakes unless I make some glaring error and wonder at the disbelieving stares I receive until I realize what I just said. But for the most part, now that I feel I'm getting some understanding of social interaction I can enjoy it in my own fashion.
I used to do that back when I was ever among people. I think that people ARE, to an extent, generally pretty easy to work out just by watching them, but beyond that extent they can be deeper than meets the eye. I personally assume that they themselves forget about that depth just as I would, and therefore it doesn't surface physically unless they are reminded of it through conversation or something similar.
Being aspergic, I ended up telling people all about how I thought I could easily analyse their minds from outside. I think it mildly offended them, and rightly so I guess. Having extra aspie intelligence but a stunted social sense, our analytical abilities are probably tipped in favour of surface analysis and against the detection and understanding of deeper qualities.
I've found you pleasant enough, RaeRae.
Uncertain-Late: actually, I think that it's possible to get a fair idea as to how they put together thoughts by watching their movements. However, I think that this would mainly be useful for estimating their current level of arousal in the frontal lobe, which is admittedly subject to fluctuation. That's the main one that I've learned to heart. I tend to find most people who have a higher level of arousal to have very good and sincere personalities. They're very thoughtful, usually. They're good people to sit down and have a couple of beers with.
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I couldn't care less if Einstein was autistic or Michaelangelo poked Chinese mice.
I mean, it's who we are, what we are able to contribute to society in our own way, and no one is better than anyone else.
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Indeed, well said.
It is hard, I tend to jump all over any opportunity to prove I am right and everyone else is wrong because of my ability to look at things from multiple angles, but when it comes down to the very core of the problem, no its not - list of possible causes - it's my problem. The idea that even if I am good godly great and all of that, I will always struggle and always repeat the same damn mistake over and over like a moronic imbecile time and time again in social niceties and its arena of humbleness is aggravating. Something we can't grasp, I definitely cannot. I'll probably be struggling with this forever, never ran in to something I couldn't learn if I wanted to learn it before.
Anyone else feel similar?
Be careful. Many of those I've known in the past who, like you, considered their powers of observation so great weren't that perceptive at all. It hard to dislodge a persons belief in their abilities when they think so highly of themselves. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy in that anything that goes against their perception is deemed incorrect. Most people are far too complex to be judged quickly and harshly on a very small amount of observed information.
I agree. My brother thinks he's a master of sizing people up and knowing what they're thinking and feeling, but he's totally not.
Most of my language when I'm speaking with people is very carefully crafted, and usually I end up being called "special" or something equally demeaning because they don't understand what I'm saying.
Maybe I just need friends who are less stupid (I wouldn't say "smarter" because I wouldn't give them "smart").
Good thread.
A couple of points:
1.I used to think I could read people. I found out I am a terrible judge of character.
2. People are deceptive, and very good at showing you a false front. (Which I will most likely misinterpret anyway).
3.I used to think I was "special" too. The universe has a way of compensating for big egos. It's called "bad s**t happening". I tend to check myself now before I wreck myself.
4. A lot of my feelings of superiority was just misplaced jealousy of other's seemingly effortless ability to socially interact.
5. I just stick to reading books now.
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I'm sorry....you lost me there. What do morals have to do with it?
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I'm sorry....you lost me there. What do morals have to do with it?
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893 you're just reatards that shoiudl be locked in cages
f uck you
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Did you mean to say MT Power?
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I used to think I was more intelligent than other people. On one hand, it was because people everywhere kept telling me I was intelligent. On the other hand, it was because I thought I had the attitude, lacking in others, of developing my intelligence. That doesn't mean I was more successful (sometimes I was), nor I think of myselt as superior. I kept just telling myself I would have found someone more like me one day.
Now that I found out about AS, I see more clearly how foolish I was. My deficits worry me.
I also belong to those aspies whose source of big pride is ability to "read" people and figure out their real intentions. It's practically one thing which made me doubtful of my AS since I had found out about the existence of Asperger Syndrome. Most people are utterly predictable, I know how the friends of mine would behave in a particular situation, what their reactions would be like. Being with them bores me stiff I can say about myself I'm really good at manipulating people because my knowledge of human behaviour helps me in it. They all (there are some exception to the rule but I don't count them) behave like termites or The Borg who don't have their own individuality and are really easy to lead. I rarely feel all those subtle emotions which normal poeple feel but I find it easy to guess them by logical reasoning. I have also really good intuition. If sbd demanded from me an immediate answer what an average person feels in a particular situation I wouldn't have any problems giving the answer. But in spite of having an ability of analysing their minds from outside, in spite of having all this knowledge I strike an obstruction when I must deal with social situations. I know theoretically what should be said but I am not sure what words I should use - after all, there are so many possibilities. It's just like in case of the user who wrote:
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And like in this case:
Maybe with this small exception that I have problems concerning body language - I mean, it's not an instinctive thing to read it, just like for instance hearing or seeing are instinctive, I must pay attention, concentrate a bit to understand what a person wanted to express with the body movements - but not always, I've problems how to read some more complicated movements. I'm going to borrow a book about body language from a library and learn it by heart. There were also situations when I was unable to read sarcasm or concealed meaning but I don't have serious problems with it.
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