my social difficulties seem different than many of yours

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04 May 2007, 9:12 pm

I don't have much confidence around people. For the most part, it's been a long and painful process of learning the hidden rules of interaction, but as I've built up some knowledge.. I mean, how people look when they react a certain way, what they mean when they speak with a certain tone or inflection, a million different details that I've had to assimilate.

The results have paid off, but I acknowledge that having to process them on a conscious level where normal people just go and do things, this puts me at a disadvantage most of the time. Other people don't seem to notice my mistakes unless I make some glaring error and wonder at the disbelieving stares I receive until I realize what I just said. But for the most part, now that I feel I'm getting some understanding of social interaction I can enjoy it in my own fashion. :)



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04 May 2007, 9:40 pm

I get frustrated with people alot...I find so many are... well...clueless, or just plain lacking in common sense. :D


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04 May 2007, 11:01 pm

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I find myself watching people think sometimes... generally, I can tell a lot about their personality just by how they move.


I used to do that back when I was ever among people. I think that people ARE, to an extent, generally pretty easy to work out just by watching them, but beyond that extent they can be deeper than meets the eye. I personally assume that they themselves forget about that depth just as I would, and therefore it doesn't surface physically unless they are reminded of it through conversation or something similar.

Being aspergic, I ended up telling people all about how I thought I could easily analyse their minds from outside. I think it mildly offended them, and rightly so I guess. Having extra aspie intelligence but a stunted social sense, our analytical abilities are probably tipped in favour of surface analysis and against the detection and understanding of deeper qualities.


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04 May 2007, 11:07 pm

I can't even properly socialize on a message board. I feel lost.



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05 May 2007, 12:46 am

I've found you pleasant enough, RaeRae.

Uncertain-Late: actually, I think that it's possible to get a fair idea as to how they put together thoughts by watching their movements. However, I think that this would mainly be useful for estimating their current level of arousal in the frontal lobe, which is admittedly subject to fluctuation. That's the main one that I've learned to heart. I tend to find most people who have a higher level of arousal to have very good and sincere personalities. They're very thoughtful, usually. They're good people to sit down and have a couple of beers with.



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05 May 2007, 12:52 pm

Great points everyone. It's true that I probably overestimate my ability to read people, and it probably has resulted in losing many potential friends over the years as I quickly lump people into a category and move on. Bleh. Something to work on.



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05 May 2007, 1:08 pm

Griff wrote:
I've found you pleasant enough,RaeRae


acknowledgement, cool 8)

However, I believe that is the first time I have ever been called pleasant. When I read that an image of my family lauging their asses off popped into my head.



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05 May 2007, 1:13 pm

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I think the hardest part of discovering my Aspiness was in relinqushing that same attitude. To put ego aside and finally admitting that the problem( and there is a problem) is actually me and not them. And I'm sure I'll be working on that realization the rest of my life, ego being what it is. Oh, it's a hard row to hoe. Forty years ago I scored high on a I.Q. test and that's why I'm different? Think again.
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Indeed, well said.
It is hard, I tend to jump all over any opportunity to prove I am right and everyone else is wrong because of my ability to look at things from multiple angles, but when it comes down to the very core of the problem, no its not - list of possible causes - it's my problem. The idea that even if I am good godly great and all of that, I will always struggle and always repeat the same damn mistake over and over like a moronic imbecile time and time again in social niceties and its arena of humbleness is aggravating. Something we can't grasp, I definitely cannot. I'll probably be struggling with this forever, never ran in to something I couldn't learn if I wanted to learn it before.



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08 May 2007, 12:19 pm

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ButchCoolidge wrote:
I really don't have that much trouble figuring out people's intentions, reading between the lines, etc. I guess it's because of my intelligence, and the fact that my AS is probably mild. I actually feel the exact opposite most of the time. I can peg people within about 10 seconds of meeting them, and then I'm just plain bored. I do have things like eye contact issues and the tendency to monologue (again, mostly because the other people rarely have something interesting to say). But does anyone else actually feel, in a certain sense, socially "superior" to all of the NTs? And I don't mean that my social skills are actually superior, it's just that most NT's seem so vapid and simple (to me, most NT's seem soooo slooooowwwww.... in everything... walking, communication, comprehension, HUMOR, that's a big one, they just can't keep up).... that I end up just not talking to them. I could play their social games and chat about incredibly simple things at a snail's pace, but why?

Anyone else feel similar?


Be careful. Many of those I've known in the past who, like you, considered their powers of observation so great weren't that perceptive at all. It hard to dislodge a persons belief in their abilities when they think so highly of themselves. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy in that anything that goes against their perception is deemed incorrect. Most people are far too complex to be judged quickly and harshly on a very small amount of observed information.


I agree. My brother thinks he's a master of sizing people up and knowing what they're thinking and feeling, but he's totally not.



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09 May 2007, 12:56 am

Most of my language when I'm speaking with people is very carefully crafted, and usually I end up being called "special" or something equally demeaning because they don't understand what I'm saying.

Maybe I just need friends who are less stupid (I wouldn't say "smarter" because I wouldn't give them "smart").



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09 May 2007, 1:21 am

Good thread.


A couple of points:

1.I used to think I could read people. I found out I am a terrible judge of character.

2. People are deceptive, and very good at showing you a false front. (Which I will most likely misinterpret anyway).

3.I used to think I was "special" too. The universe has a way of compensating for big egos. It's called "bad s**t happening". I tend to check myself now before I wreck myself.

4. A lot of my feelings of superiority was just misplaced jealousy of other's seemingly effortless ability to socially interact.

5. I just stick to reading books now. :roll:



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09 May 2007, 1:28 am

uubermaster wrote:
it's because you4're a bad pe44rson... all you AS4Spie4s are bad people

NT POWER!!!44



I'm sorry....you lost me there. What do morals have to do with it? :?


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09 May 2007, 1:36 am

uubermaster wrote:
Serendipper wrote:
uubermaster wrote:
it's because you4're a bad pe44rson... all you AS4Spie4s are bad people

NT POWER!!!44



I'm sorry....you lost me there. What do morals have to do with it? :?


893 you're just reatards that shoiudl be locked in cages

f uck you

NT POWER!! !



Did you mean to say MT Power? :roll:



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09 May 2007, 5:17 am

marcus wrote:
I think the hardest part of discovering my Aspiness was in relinqushing that same attitude. To put ego aside and finally admitting that the problem( and there is a problem) is actually me and not them. And I'm sure I'll be working on that realization the rest of my life, ego being what it is. Oh, it's a hard row to hoe. Forty years ago I scored high on a I.Q. test and that's why I'm different? Think again.

I used to think I was more intelligent than other people. On one hand, it was because people everywhere kept telling me I was intelligent. On the other hand, it was because I thought I had the attitude, lacking in others, of developing my intelligence. That doesn't mean I was more successful (sometimes I was), nor I think of myselt as superior. I kept just telling myself I would have found someone more like me one day.

Now that I found out about AS, I see more clearly how foolish I was. My deficits worry me.



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23 May 2007, 7:50 am

I also belong to those aspies whose source of big pride is ability to "read" people and figure out their real intentions. It's practically one thing which made me doubtful of my AS since I had found out about the existence of Asperger Syndrome. Most people are utterly predictable, I know how the friends of mine would behave in a particular situation, what their reactions would be like. Being with them bores me stiff :x I can say about myself I'm really good at manipulating people because my knowledge of human behaviour helps me in it. They all (there are some exception to the rule but I don't count them) behave like termites or The Borg who don't have their own individuality and are really easy to lead. I rarely feel all those subtle emotions which normal poeple feel but I find it easy to guess them by logical reasoning. I have also really good intuition. If sbd demanded from me an immediate answer what an average person feels in a particular situation I wouldn't have any problems giving the answer. But in spite of having an ability of analysing their minds from outside, in spite of having all this knowledge I strike an obstruction when I must deal with social situations. I know theoretically what should be said but I am not sure what words I should use - after all, there are so many possibilities. It's just like in case of the user who wrote:

Sedaka wrote:
yea knowing and doing are totally different.... i can recognize when (social) requirements are necessary for other people (and i mean higher ones)... but when i try and impose what would satisfy ME and my demands in that situation... i've always found it's just never the same as what THEY want.
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And like in this case:
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I've never noticed that I've had a problem reading body language, faces, peoples' motives, sarcasm, irony, whatever. I just have problems responding to it, or caring enough about it to respond to it.

Maybe with this small exception that I have problems concerning body language - I mean, it's not an instinctive thing to read it, just like for instance hearing or seeing are instinctive, I must pay attention, concentrate a bit to understand what a person wanted to express with the body movements - but not always, I've problems how to read some more complicated movements. I'm going to borrow a book about body language from a library and learn it by heart. There were also situations when I was unable to read sarcasm or concealed meaning but I don't have serious problems with it.



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23 May 2007, 8:53 am

My social difficulties are fairly subtle when compared to many here. They tend to come in the form of "foot in mouth disease" (speaking before I think) incidents and being preoccupied with things I'm doing.