The neurotypical superpower.
Yes, I guess the 'convoluted book' in question must have been the bible.
I don't know if it was insecurity on my uncle's part, I think it was inappropriate for me to have said it to him.
What happened is something, there should be a word for it, but there is no word for it.
There was another instance where my mother was throwing out a decorative ornament, an oriental opium pipe and then she said 'I don't like this any more what do you think?' then I said 'Ah the allure of the mysterious East!' now she got really upset when I said this to her, she was angry at me and I didn't know why, I told her 'its not my fault I can't help it!' and then she said 'and serial killers can't help it either' something like that.
Its a pathological inability to say things that people want to hear, and to my mind thats what conversation is about. Now you can say maybe you have a zany family but this stuff has been happening to me my whole life I didn't have friends and a social life growing up. I'm not introverted I looove talking, describing the world the way I see it but people aren't buying and thats something that I have grown to accept now.
As for 'known quantities' I believe that language is about measurement so I totally buy into what you said.
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I view my neurology as different rather than inferior. Not that I'm saying you're wrong. I guess it depends on how many times an individual has had good and bad experiences that they put down to their brain wiring. In my case there's not a lot of bad stuff that I would blame entirely on my ASD.
I don't know if it was insecurity on my uncle's part, I think it was inappropriate for me to have said it to him.
What happened is something, there should be a word for it, but there is no word for it.
There was another instance where my mother was throwing out a decorative ornament, an oriental opium pipe and then she said 'I don't like this any more what do you think?' then I said 'Ah the allure of the mysterious East!' now she got really upset when I said this to her, she was angry at me and I didn't know why, I told her 'its not my fault I can't help it!' and then she said 'and serial killers can't help it either' something like that.
Its a pathological inability to say things that people want to hear, and to my mind thats what conversation is about.
IMO, in both the priest example and the pipe example, either side could have chosen better words and reactions, at least in theory. And although I wouldn't advocate 100% bluntness and honesty in every situation, I think telling people what they want to hear can be quite harmful to human relations, especially in the long run.
Whether someone was in the wrong isn't the main point.
I think the main point is my brain, it doesn't react in a normal way which really is engineering a social advantage.
Perhaps always telling people what they want to hear isn't the golden rule, but the other extreme is my earlier life which was pretty damned lonely
The first thirty five years of my life were a desperate attempt hope that I could explain myself to other people, I tried to in language and art but it was science that allowed me to do it, with the word 'autism'. I owe science a lot and I look forward to a time when my experiences can be explained within a robust logical framework.
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most neurotypicals dont have anything interesting about them, hence the name. we aquire talent for something we are passion about, or many things. alot of people struggle to find meaning in life but i feel sorry for "nts" who don't have anything they are passionate about or put their heart and soul into.
I think neurotypicals brains are simply just optimized for group cohesiveness, which from an evolutionary point of view might have been beneficial during a time like the Stone Age. They have their own set of neurological problems, the problems just aren't labeled in medical journals because over 90% percent of the human population is neurotypical, so they don't really see their own problems. They compare against a larger group so they tend see a problem as a problem only if its an abnormality. Not that neurotypicals are insane, they have their on strengths and weaknesses but for example if 90% of the population was insane would they be labeled insane? If 90% of a population had schizophrenia would schizophrenia be labeled a mental disorder? I would argue a disorder logically is only a disorder if its causes the person with the disorder or other people harm. Logically neurotypicals have their own set of harmful qurks that just aren't obvious to them, for example their brains are so optimized for group cohesiveness that they tend to have this instintual fear of being isolated from a group to the point where they have an increased risk of following a group in highly irrational ways, hilter and concentration camps is a perfect example of this at an extreme. Neurotypicals are optimized for group cohesiveness so they run everything through social filters and instintually pick up suddle social ques, where as I feel autistic brains tend to be more logic optimized and run things through logical filters, if you run social reference through a logical filter it's not going to much as much since as if it where ran through a social filter.
I agree with the vast majority of your complaint, although I would point out from an evolutionary standpoint: the Stone Age human social group was a "pack", the current "Civilization" social group is a "herd", and with the help of technology (modern communications) we're transitioning into a "hive" social structure. Each one of these structures is an extension of evolution itself: as population of a social species increases, the organization of the group needs to evolve to accommodate it.
The entire reason animals group together is so they can amplify their power: 2 animals working together aren't 2x better than one, more like 2.1x better. This power growth is exponential: the more members the higher the multiplier. Likewise, though, the friction between members also amplifies, and as the group gets larger it becomes harder to move as one unit, thus there's need for more social control: hence the reason a pack has less control over members than a herd, than a hive, than no idea what's next because there hasn't been a species with a need to evolve past a hive. Humans are no different, as our population grows so does our social structure, because that social structure is a construct of evolution itself.
@Brandon30:
How are we judging harm? I would argue that many mental disorders are in fact maladaptive and would likely be harmful even if the majority of people had them.
Have you ever spoken to one? They have plenty about them that's interesting. It's rare to find one that doesn't. Your "we acquire talent" argument doesn't quite hold up either. I'm not particularly talented at anything, and I've met more than a few other aspies who aren't.
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Salient points, IMO. I'm reminded of a Kahlil Gibran story in which an evil spell cast on the water supply causes the population to go insane, citizen by citizen, until the last one finally drinks the water, and then the rest of them rejoice because to their mind he's at last regained his sanity. It's not always easy to define harm, but as a criterion for insanity it beats "normality" hands down, and I don't see what else we can use, if we have to have the notion if insanity at all.
I see interesting as being in the eye of the interested, but I'm not very interested in mainstream neurotypicals either, I prefer eccentrics and oddballs. I think many NTs are kind of passionate about this or that, but I once read a neurotypical's observation that Aspie special interests are often so intense that they're comparable to sexual desire. I wish I could find the source of that remark, but suffice to say as an Aspie the notion resonated with me.
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I know pointless facts that make me seem knowledgeable whenever someone brings up a topic I hit them with crucial info I know someone who is interested in the fact they are speaking about knows but not many others know which makes me seem very knowledgeable.
As someone with the Actor subtype this works for me and against me. As people's expectations are raised about me and think I am an amazing addition to the team but they always freak out when they start to notice I am different or start to flake out.
For example as a friend we decide to go out but I constantly cancel last minute or jobs I constantly and absent.
I agree with the keyword 'most'.
But I'm sure, such NTs exists. Heck, I've met one who's passionate about SpEd advocacy because it's her calling.

The differences I observed between passionate NTs and aspies so far, is that, NTs' passions are more "acceptable" are more intimate between connections and circles. They use these connections more willingly than most NTs and yet, they may or may not have 'enough' 1st hand knowledge: for example, it's not for themselves but for their love ones or someone else. Them forging new knowledge would take more time, and are likely to spread the said new knowledge.
While aspies usually had gone solo yet, they can outsource NTs by knowledge and are more likely forge new knowledge that aren't known by many through cognition. Yet, most of them have no means to spread the knowledge because, well, social issues. Also, the motivation is usually from a 'drive'; that's why aspies can't always choose what they're being obsessed with.
I wonder what else I missed... Or got it wrong. I wanna know more.

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