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18 Jul 2016, 3:32 pm

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Yes I think your post makes a lot of sense.

I'm very uncomfortable with the thought of all those tablets they get kids to take, and I wonder whether it's really beyond the establishment's wit to make adjustments for them rather than making the kids adjust themselves by taking psych meds that could be damaging their health in other ways. It's not just that we should be very reluctant to medicate children, there's a further reason to not medicate them if they're also on the spectrum - I've heard that Aspies are generally excluded from drug safety trials, which means an Aspie child with ADHD is playing Russian roulette twice over if they accept the drugs. I used to feel slightly abused if I even had to take a pain killer to prop myself up so I could get through a day at work. I guess I'm a die-hard utopian. :(


And the funny thing in all this is that perhaps for both Asperger's syndrome and ADHD corresponds to the same gene, called warrior gen, that some part of population, which part of the population inherited from our Neanderthal ancestors,
which part of the population inherited from our Neanderthal ancestors, who were not some dull morons, as they are usually portrayed on television.



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18 Jul 2016, 4:05 pm

All i'm saying is that the genuine, people with pure ADHD (and nothing else) cases i know of have problems doing long periods of work. That is my frame of reference on the matter.

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The notion that ADHD is overdiagnosed is controversial:
http://www.berkeleywellness.com/healthy ... rdiagnosed
http://www.healthcentral.com/adhd/just- ... 797-5.html
Must be a very difficult decision to make in some cases.


One reason for it which some in law enforcement suspect: ADHD comes with a prescription for drugs like Adderal which is a narcotic. Doctors can be bribed or fooled. Criminals take the path of least resistance.


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18 Jul 2016, 5:13 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
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Yes I think your post makes a lot of sense.

I'm very uncomfortable with the thought of all those tablets they get kids to take, and I wonder whether it's really beyond the establishment's wit to make adjustments for them rather than making the kids adjust themselves by taking psych meds that could be damaging their health in other ways. It's not just that we should be very reluctant to medicate children, there's a further reason to not medicate them if they're also on the spectrum - I've heard that Aspies are generally excluded from drug safety trials, which means an Aspie child with ADHD is playing Russian roulette twice over if they accept the drugs. I used to feel slightly abused if I even had to take a pain killer to prop myself up so I could get through a day at work. I guess I'm a die-hard utopian. :(



Ugh I hated how I was forced to take medicine when I was in 4th and 5th grade. I felt so broken and weak and everyone kept still insisting I am normal but yet I was being forced to take medicine? What kind of logic was that?

I am not against kids taking medication, sometimes it's a life saver for the kid and they can finally focus in school and do their school work and concentrate and be more organized and they feel normal instead of broken. But I still felt different with the medicine and I didn't feel any change but my whole family did. Then my mom drops the bomb on me when I am an adult telling me I was on the wrong medicine and she knew I had more going on because the pills weren't working. Why the hell did you make me keep taking them then? 8O That explains why I would get new medicine and be on a bunch of pills like vitamins and then I was on the "house pills." They were shaped like a house so my mom called them house pills. I am surprised the pills didn't mess me up because being wrongly medicated can mess the child up big time and cause them major issues. Luckily for me I only had seizures and high metabolism. My parents are also lucky I didn't hold a grudge on them because they were trying to fix me and mold me rather than just dealing with me. But if I refused medication, my mom would have humiliated me with it by saying it in front of everyone outside my family.

I wonder how many "normal" kids out there get drugged to make it easier for everyone around them. Makes me think let's start drugging people who have annoying personalities and attitudes and annoying opinions. I am also against drugging my son right now just because he is hyper and overactive and can't stand to be bored and he gets impulsive and does stupid things. But I don't know how much of it is normal kid behavior or what part of it is ADHD. Also I get Imposter syndrome about him because I think what if he is just normal but he is just over active is all and hyper and more impulsive. What if he is just a difficult child. My husband and my mom think he has ADHD because he is like my husband's nephew at that age. My dad has it too and he said this weekend he was just labeled as a loser. I assume that was in his childhood. I wonder what his own childhood was like, maybe hard if he was a "loser." But he takes no medication for it, he never has. My nephew takes it but only for school, at home he doesn't take it and it's a choice he makes because he notices how much it helps him in school.


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18 Jul 2016, 6:03 pm

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I wonder how many "normal" kids out there get drugged to make it easier for everyone around them.

that's probably the bulk of adhd diagnoses

i'm not sure how i feel about kids being drugged for behavior and school performance even if they do clearly have adhd. it just sounds like a recipe for disaster to me, for several reasons. for one thing, there's the obvious matter of brain development. i don't think anybody really knows what the medication does to a child's brain, and it's just not possible that there won't be very significant lifelong effects. considering that it's an exclusively short-acting type of medication, chances are those long-term effects from early/chronic use are negative ones

then there's the matter of dependence. one day it might not be feasible to take the medication anymore, for any of a variety of possible reasons, and then the person may be completely unprepared to deal with it, worse than they would be if they weren't so used to being medicated

there's also a ton of other more subtle issues to be considered, but then those depend a lot more on culture and society. ideally no one would ever need to take medication for adhd, but that would only be possible in a utopian society (in other words, it's not possible). so it depends on what kinds of demands are imposed by society on a person for them to be able to be have a satisfying existence, and whether or not the benefits of medication at any given age or circumstance outweigh the risks and consequences

as with most everything else though, my thoughts on this are based mostly on extrapolation from personal experience and on things i've read and heard from people who live far away from me. adhd isn't really "a thing" where i live. afaik no child around here is medicated for anything related to mental health unless it's something really extreme and life-threatening


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19 Jul 2016, 7:26 am

A couple of observations from previous posts:

One of the ADD experiences is "hyper-focus" where a person gets into the zone and simply blots out everything else.

I am still told that ADD is a condition of childhood - in fact most people with ADD develop coping strategies to allow engagement with life, socialising and work so the actual behaviours are masked. I developed the skill of careful people watching and a very up-front questioning style when I am unsure what the Hell is going on. The problem is this wastes an awful lot of nervous energy.



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19 Jul 2016, 11:40 am

Question, is it a ADHD thing to get cranky and irritated and blow up if you interrupt them during their activity if they were hyper focused? It could be work, hobby, cleaning, etc.


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19 Jul 2016, 12:31 pm

No, I don´t think so.
It´s classical aspie behavior.


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19 Jul 2016, 12:38 pm

Jensen wrote:
No, I don´t think so.
It´s classical aspie behavior.



My dad gets upset and irritated when my son intrudes on him and butts in while he is working or cooking or cleaning the kitchen. But he only does it to him so I figured it was my son's ADHD because the criteria states they intrude and interrupt and he wouldn't listen to my father. I brought this up to my son's doctor for the evaluation and my mom butted in and said her husband has ADHD as if it was responsible for his reaction to my son. What am I missing here or is my mother wrong? I get that everyone wants their child to be normal, especially their own grand kids so they find excuses.


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20 Jul 2016, 7:56 am

I have a friend who's diagnosed with ADHD. He was told that he did have some mild autistic traits, but that ADHD describes him better and is a more useful diagnosis for him. Same situation with a friend who's dyspraxic. I get the impression these labels describe a range of overlapping, related conditions, rather than completely seperate ones.


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20 Jul 2016, 3:20 pm

every day i shimmer with the different colors on the spectrum. some days my ADD is more prominent than others, with the steady drone of the AS in the background. :jester: