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1. If something is to be expected or not has nothing to do with a trait being desirable. It is desirable that people stop being racists.
2. We have a greater concern for social justice. The particular way that manifests is another issue entirely. For example, an aspie may be concerned about other people. In the case of a pro-life aspie he/she is concerned about justice for the fetus. The pro-choice aspie is more concerned about the woman. The NT is more likely to be less concerned about the fetus or woman. NOTE that I said less likely ! I am not saying that NTs do not care about women or fetus.
3. I saved the most contentious for last. Is a creative person superior to someone without an original thought? I say yes. But I can respect those that say,no.

It's better to see people as individuals, rather than as a collective entity.

It's always a fallacy to assume, say, that "Aspies are one thing, and NT's are not."

The people most concerned about other people have been those without autism in my experience. This seems to be shared given the number of posts bashing this quality, the "lol NTs are obsessed with people" posts just keep coming up.


What's being creative got to do with thinking for yourself?

What's being creative got to do with thinking for yourself?
If you do not have an original thought it is impossible to think for yourself. You are just regurgitating what others told you.

"The people most concerned about other people have been those without autism in my experience."
You are confusing caring about other people with caring about what other people think about you.

I agree! I never said that all aspies are one thing ( creative for example) and NTs are not. I said that if you are an aspie it is more likely that you are creative, concerned about social justice etc. As I said, my best friend is an NT. he is not a racist and he is very creative.

I have tremendous respect for both of you! However, black and white thinking is an aspie trait. ( one that my high IQ has overcome, I know that sounds arrogant but I'm an aspie I value truth over my reputation! LOL My IQ has been validated by tests ) Both of you continue to think that I am saying that ALL aspies are such and such and ALL NTs are such and such.
I see my aspergers like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash_Jr. saw his schizophrenia. He would dismiss and ignore his hallucinations instead of listening to them. I dismiss my all or nothing thinking or at least try to.

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No I'm not. I mean caring about people. The most caring people I've known are without a doubt nowhere near autistic. They have all thought of others first, been excellent at reading people, shown a deep understanding for something they've never experienced, been extremely good communicators, etc. I've had a recent experience of this.


Yeah, but what's this got to do with creativity?


No I'm not. Point me to where I say such a thing.

Yeah, but what's this got to do with creativity?
I'm confused. So you are saying that having an original thought is not being creative?

Yes. I think for myself but I'm not creative in the slightest. Things like art and creative writing - absolutely useless, don't get it, absolutely not my thing. My imagination is impaired, which is a trait of autism. I know not everyone shares this, but I do.

The most caring people I've known are without a doubt nowhere near autistic.
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That is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence I also know many NTs that are very caring. I am talking about the mathematical data's tendency.

Which is where?

See the links I already posted.

My imagination is impaired, which is a trait of autism.
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Creativity is not limited to art and creative writing. And if a lack of imagination is an autistic trait why are there so many creative people in the autistic community? See link I gave in the OP.

I don't see a peer reviewed large-scale study linked, have I somehow missed this?

Neither link mentions creativity.

Because not everyone shares that trait of course. Perhaps the ones who lack it are more likely to engage in communities. The online autism community is not reflective of everyone with autism.