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25 Mar 2017, 1:57 pm

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Just a friendly reminder that we don't allow the bashing of entire groups of people here, and that includes NTs.

This also includes wanting to commit/or condoning violence directed at NTs.

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25 Mar 2017, 6:05 pm

I just noticed that post. I think praising ISIS to spite society is just blind rage and they themselves have issued a fatwa to kill disabled kids.

btw, would my post fall under bashing entire groups? I don't mean to bash whites, liberals, and conservatives in general but I wanted to point out how the issues that Aspies of colour face tend to get overlooked. I also wanted to point out the alienation that comes with dealing with both white NTs and Aspies that dismiss racism and the hypocrisy that comes with mainstream politics when it comes to the attention that certain issues might get over others.



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25 Mar 2017, 6:21 pm

I don't agree with OP's condoning of violent acts which were NOT justified (f**k Elliott Rodger, f**k Adam Lanza, f**k ISIS, etc.) but almost everything else he said in his original post is 100% true and it saddens me to see someone else voicing the same painful thoughts that I've had for a long time and realize that more and more people with AS will feel this way until our situation gets better.



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25 Mar 2017, 7:30 pm

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I just noticed that post. I think praising ISIS to spite society is just blind rage and they themselves have issued a fatwa to kill disabled kids.

btw, would my post fall under bashing entire groups? I don't mean to bash whites, liberals, and conservatives in general but I wanted to point out how the issues that Aspies of colour face tend to get overlooked. I also wanted to point out the alienation that comes with dealing with both white NTs and Aspies that dismiss racism and the hypocrisy that comes with mainstream politics when it comes to the attention that certain issues might get over others.


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25 Mar 2017, 7:42 pm

Also I didn't view OP's viewpoints as being against all neurotypicals, just ableist and discriminatory ones. There are a lot of great NTs out there like SocOfAutism who are very supportive of people with AS, and on the other hand there are even people with AS who are hateful of others with AS who they view as inferior. I recently got in an argument with someone with AS who made a generalization that everyone with AS is either "the smartest person in the room" or "failing at life in so many ways and enjoys being that way" and said he thinks of himself as part of the former category and myself and others as the latter.



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25 Mar 2017, 7:52 pm

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There are a lot of great NTs out there like SocOfAutism who are very supportive of people with AS, and on the other hand there are even people with AS who are hateful of others with AS who they view as inferior


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25 Mar 2017, 8:32 pm

Try this on for size. I'm not exposed to NT's much. I've always been in a school for ASD.

And you know what? Many aspies have treated me like garbage.

Lower functioning autistics have always been treated like second class citizens by the aspie population.

I've even been called a ret*d by Aspies.

That's the reality of how the human race operates - Aspies aren't any better.



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25 Mar 2017, 9:56 pm

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Gah, so many incorrect uses of "everyday" in this thread.

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I feel a bit of that anger from time to time, but I turn it into positive energy. The anger intensifies during the month of April, because of an organization of Hitler's reincarnations.


haha XD what the f**k?! what organization is that?


Autism Speaks I assume.

I feel anger toward society as well because they don't realize how badly they're treating us. I wish they noticed that we're just like the women, black, and LGBT people of the past who finally achieved their rights and whom people now champion. But those same people mock us.


That's right. That organization. They make me want to puke it up blue.


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25 Mar 2017, 10:11 pm

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Yea I think the issue is that we are a minority of a minority of a minority... No one gives a s**t about us until one of us shoots up a school (Adam Lanza, Chris Harper-Mercer, Cho and many others), college town (Elliot Rodger), mosque (Alexander Bissonette) or Goodlife Fitness (George Sodini). We have no political influence. White liberals don't even bother to virtue signal for us like they do blacks and Muslims.

This is why I think a lot of young disenfranchised autistic men joined the "alt-right" and voted for Donald Trump. Though a Republican who wants to dismantle the social safety net is not exactly a good thing for autistic people. In a society that has shifted away from agriculture and manufacturing to the service sector - autistic people are woefully out of place. Unemployment is extremely high among autistic people. So from a self-preservation standpoint, it would make more sense for the autistic person to vote for the candidate who is going to give us the "autismbux" or "NEETbux" so to speak. We don't fit in the workplaces. We aren't equipped with the social skills necessary to work in a service economy. But it's not like the liberals were doing anything for us either. The Clintons made cuts to welfare. The liberals in Canada made cuts to welfare. So these autistic guys who voted for Trump just wanted to throw a brick through the "establishment"). The disenfranchised autists making up the alt-right that you see on 4chan think that feminists, blacks and Muslims are given far more attention by the liberals than autistic people are. But at the end of the day, it's just virtue signalling. Blacks and Muslims are still disenfranchised even though racists are publicly shamed and doxed on Twitter or whatever.

African-Americans make up like 14% of the United States and it's not politically correct to be openly racist. People lose their jobs and destroy their reputations over being racist. But in reality the social justice warrior stuff coming from white liberals is just virtue signalling. The reality of the situation is that unarmed young black males are getting shot by cops. Poverty and unemployment are major issues in the black community. No one is actually doing anything to make their lives better. And then they point to the president (or former president) and say "he's black, why can't you get your s**t together?"

Same with the Muslims in France. They make up over 10% of the population there. But they are still trapped in poverty and unemployment in the Banlieues (the ghettoized suburbs). They are routinely discriminated against for employment. Businesses don't want to set up shop in the banlieues.

Canada is extremely Pro-Social Justice Warrior. We have a Social Justice Warrior Prime Minister. Yet our First Nations are treated like garbage. None of the businesses want to invest in their communities. They just want to virtue signal. The only thing that matters to our politicians is money and power. The only thing that matters to people is hedonism. And when I see the normies get their just desserts, I can't help but think "those f*****s deserved it."
As an Aspie of colour who is also from the north, I agree 100%. I was never totally oblivious to racism, but I still used to be relatively clueless until recent years so it's a damn shame I was dumb enough to believe all the lies about colour blindness. It also made me realize that white Aspies can be just as dismissive as white NT's when it comes to racism against minorities. There seems to be a stubborn refusal to acknowledge it which goes beyond mere ignorance, so I suppose the best thing to do is to reach out to other Aspies of colour who get it (or perhaps even more specifically your own race/ethnicity first since all minorities are discriminated against in different ways).

Since this is strictly an Aspie support forum, I guess we're left to fend for ourselves outside of Aspie issues. This is why I have developed more of a racial and ethnic identity than an Aspie one. If you aren't already familiar with the concept of intersectionality, I suggest you check it out. Oppression Olympics is another useful concept that can explain why liberals can overlook certain minorities over others. On the other hand, conservatives tend to do the exact opposite of this by pitting certain minorities against others in order to prove that racism as a systemic and societal issue is dead.


Do you think conservatives, at least most of them, purposely do that though? It just seems off to me. Maybe they actually think that minorities fighting against each other is what's causing racism, but purposely pitting us against each other? Hmm. Also I am also an Aspie of color and personally for the first half of my life, I was struggling more with my racial identity than my AS. I grew up ina homogenous white town and while I did experience subtle racism, and I'm sure some of it went over my head, I actually experienced the extreme end of the spectrum. I've met white people that tried to be so overly politically correct that they just end up looking foolish or embarassing me in the process from friends to teachers. it makes me feel as if being black is bad mark or something. Like I can't be treated as normal because the minute you see me you will think of slavery. It makes me shudder when I imagine myself with white friends because I can't help feeling so out of place. I'm different and we all know I'm diffeent. I know no one is color blind and part of me is wondering what a white person is thinking when they talk to me. My dad recently told me about some discrimination he faced at work years ago and it made me cry and I was honestly scared. I am also from the north and it breaks my heart because my dad has also suffered from white people being so scared to be politically incorrect in the workplace and it's just annoying. I understand my race was oppressed historically but you don't need to patronize me for it. You might as well tell me"you're successful for a black person."


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25 Mar 2017, 10:22 pm

Yeah can I ask if this is okay but what did your dad experience in the workplace. I would be interested to learn more about this problem with over political correctness.



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25 Mar 2017, 10:26 pm

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Yeah can I ask if this is okay but what did your dad experience in the workplace. I would be interested to learn more about this problem with over political correctness.

For privacy reasons I don't want to be so specific, but he dealt with this racist guy, and he sued his workplace. He left the place and then people at the new job found out about his lawsuit and they started flipping out like crazy even though he had a good work history and this happened YEARS ago. Anything involving race, especially a minority suing, is enough to give white people (not ALL) nightmares. Plus with me I've had people apologizing for using the word "black", using the word "slave" or referring to the color of my skin and then instantly apologizing. The first incident involved my teacher in front of the entire class. To this day I am like wtf woman???


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Yeah can I ask if this is okay but what did your dad experience in the workplace. I would be interested to learn more about this problem with over political correctness.

For privacy reasons I don't want to be so specific, but he dealt with this racist guy, and he sued his workplace. He left the place and then people at the new job found out about his lawsuit and they started flipping out like crazy even though he had a good work history and this happened YEARS ago. Anything involving race, especially a minority suing, is enough to give white people (not ALL) nightmares. Plus with me I've had people apologizing for using the word "black", using the word "slave" or referring to the color of my skin and then instantly apologizing. The first incident involved my teacher in front of the entire class. To this day I am like wtf woman???
That's sad to hear. Must have taken allot of courage for your dad to do that and that is admirable.

Its kind of weird. Correct me if I am wrong but sometimes I wonder whether people who are overly politically correct don't have experience interacting with people of different races and as a result do not know what is appropriate or not. What do you think?



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Yeah can I ask if this is okay but what did your dad experience in the workplace. I would be interested to learn more about this problem with over political correctness.

For privacy reasons I don't want to be so specific, but he dealt with this racist guy, and he sued his workplace. He left the place and then people at the new job found out about his lawsuit and they started flipping out like crazy even though he had a good work history and this happened YEARS ago. Anything involving race, especially a minority suing, is enough to give white people (not ALL) nightmares. Plus with me I've had people apologizing for using the word "black", using the word "slave" or referring to the color of my skin and then instantly apologizing. The first incident involved my teacher in front of the entire class. To this day I am like wtf woman???
That's sad to hear. Must have taken allot of courage for your dad to do that and that is admirable.

Its kind of weird. Correct me if I am wrong but sometimes I wonder whether people who are overly politically correct don't have experience interacting with people of different races and as a result do not know what is appropriate or not. What do you think?


That's a major factor as I grew up in a mostly white area and I was the only black kid in my elementary and middle school class. Some guy literally saw my sisters walking around the neighborhood once asked them where they were from because he never saw any black people around there. Plus you see all this stuff on the news and then if you're an extreme white liberal you'll feel all this intense guilt.


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Ive been bullied and ailienated for being autistic but i guess i never really saw it as "NT" vs autistic since its so rare to meet someone who is TRULEY Neurotypical.

However, being a person of colour, im more upset about racism than poor treatment of autistic people. I guess its because i dont know why.

See I was hoping to find another autistic POC on here because with me, I struggle with Asperger's everyday but what's just as bad is I worry about the color of my skin, having experienced subtle racism growing up and living in a mostly white town. I am basically a minority in two ways, so that makes me an even more minute minority to all the white autistics out there. I am also more upset about racism as well. I never really experienced poor treatment directly because I was autistic but people have still treated me poorly because of how I present myself

I actually feel OP's anger. I don't want to be the next Adam Lanza. There was even a kid that recorded videos of himself on YT, and he killed himself? I'm not sure if he's autistic too but my point is that yes, I do want to blow half the brains out of everyone I meet and yet if I told my therapist this, they would call the police, because screw confidentiality. I have to play nice and say "I wonder when I'll die or why God sent me here" instead of "Yes I want to kill myself tonight because life is a b***h and I hate living and i feel like I'm worthless and no one cares about me." It's stupid. Even my own mother treats me differently than my other siblings. For the first 10 years of my life she pretended that I was "normal". Then she gave up and got me diagnosed. She tells me everyday that I shouldn't worry about my Asperger's or that "you are more than Asperger's" in her mom voice yet at the same time I know she'll turn around and say stuff like "don't tiptoe on your feet like an autistic person" with such obvious disgust and/or fear or she'll drag me through the mud whenever I make one mistake. For example, she wanted me to get her bag for her from the garage. She described it as "two tone" bag (literally two tones) and and I misinterpreted it as a makeup bag (oops!). I bring her makeup bag in and when I come back home, she tells me she waited for me to come back home just so that she could correct me, which was a little dramatic, since her bag, wasn't that far way in her car. She then lectured me and said "What's wrong with you?" like she usually does while she shakes her head in disapproval. Another time she was pushing ADD on me and called me out for disagreeing with her because it's not normal that I didn't hear all her directions. She told me about how I remind her of some chick she works with and went on to say when I start working in the medical field, they would be yelling at me if I f*k up. It sure wasn't a self esteem booster. She would even go home crying when she saw me looking up at the sky and smiling during recess in elementary school. I feel like she's so scared that I'll become a drug addict or prostitute (and she said those same kinds of people exhibit my kind of behavior-oh overzealous religious mom) but then she and my religious dad will always blame it on demons and once i said I wanted to kill myself, They were literally just taunting me and saying I would go to hell. How can you help your own daughter love herself if at the same time you think I'm going to fail?

Even people at my school that don't know about my situation treat me differently. I always feel like people talk down to me and I don't know if it's because of how I carry myself socially but I trust very few people. I'm always worried people are saying sh*t about me, especially my roommates. I go to another therapist every other month and since it's mainly for me to get more prescriptions for my meds, I feel like I can't be as personal with as as with my other therapist and I wonder if both of them think I'm a hopeless case because lately I've been messing up in school, socially, at home, everywhere. My little sister doesn't think I can do anything. I used to think I was just a book geek. At this point I don't think I have any skills in anything. My grades have dropped, my parents are disappointed in me, my sisters think I'm a spoiled brat, and I want to bash my head through the wall. It's only when I listen to kpop that I am able to get away from the mental madness, as well as write in my diary. I feel like I don't have a purpose. Why did I have to wake up today? I'm not going to be finding the cure for cancer anytime soon. It sucks that it seems like God has put me on this earth to be miserable (Don't tell what I just said to my family, they would laugh in my face about how I seem like I do not believe in God anymore) :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
The funny thing is if you express suicidal thoughts with your therapist, they are far less likely to report you to authorities than if you express homicidal thoughts. No one gives a s**t about the 100 autists who kill themselves for every autist who shoots up some place. The government would rather have us kill ourselves so that they don't have to give us welfare or pay for our treatment. But God forbid any of us are violent. Then we become a liability that they have to lock up. Because killing productive members of society is a no-no. Their lives matter. Autist lives do not matter to them.

I hear ISIS attacked London recently. Good riddance. I'm not Muslim but f**k this society. Our sick bullying society deserves ISIS.


The irony of what you said is that in the middle of our first session my therapist interrupted me just to say that anything I say involving harming myself, others, or kids will be reported. I hate that they made this rule. Because if I even mention the words "don't want to" and "live" at the same time she will immediately jump up and I have immediately clarify I don't want to kill myself. I really don't. But I don't want to live either. I'm stuck because I'm scared of dying and scared of living. Of course I'm not so sure she will understand the nuances and intricacies of how I feel so I have to carefully tiptoe around this subject so i don't end up in the dungeon. I think it does more harm than good.


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25 Mar 2017, 10:53 pm

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Yeah can I ask if this is okay but what did your dad experience in the workplace. I would be interested to learn more about this problem with over political correctness.

For privacy reasons I don't want to be so specific, but he dealt with this racist guy, and he sued his workplace. He left the place and then people at the new job found out about his lawsuit and they started flipping out like crazy even though he had a good work history and this happened YEARS ago. Anything involving race, especially a minority suing, is enough to give white people (not ALL) nightmares. Plus with me I've had people apologizing for using the word "black", using the word "slave" or referring to the color of my skin and then instantly apologizing. The first incident involved my teacher in front of the entire class. To this day I am like wtf woman???
That's sad to hear. Must have taken allot of courage for your dad to do that and that is admirable.

Its kind of weird. Correct me if I am wrong but sometimes I wonder whether people who are overly politically correct don't have experience interacting with people of different races and as a result do not know what is appropriate or not. What do you think?


That's a major factor as I grew up in a mostly white area and I was the only black kid in my elementary and middle school class. Some guy literally saw my sisters walking around the neighborhood once asked them where they were from because he never saw any black people around there. Plus you see all this stuff on the news and then if you're a white liberal you'll feel all this intense guilt.
Why do so many people subscribe to being this politically correct I wonder.

Are you from New England just asking?



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25 Mar 2017, 11:03 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
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Shahunshah wrote:
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Yeah can I ask if this is okay but what did your dad experience in the workplace. I would be interested to learn more about this problem with over political correctness.

For privacy reasons I don't want to be so specific, but he dealt with this racist guy, and he sued his workplace. He left the place and then people at the new job found out about his lawsuit and they started flipping out like crazy even though he had a good work history and this happened YEARS ago. Anything involving race, especially a minority suing, is enough to give white people (not ALL) nightmares. Plus with me I've had people apologizing for using the word "black", using the word "slave" or referring to the color of my skin and then instantly apologizing. The first incident involved my teacher in front of the entire class. To this day I am like wtf woman???
That's sad to hear. Must have taken allot of courage for your dad to do that and that is admirable.

Its kind of weird. Correct me if I am wrong but sometimes I wonder whether people who are overly politically correct don't have experience interacting with people of different races and as a result do not know what is appropriate or not. What do you think?


That's a major factor as I grew up in a mostly white area and I was the only black kid in my elementary and middle school class. Some guy literally saw my sisters walking around the neighborhood once asked them where they were from because he never saw any black people around there. Plus you see all this stuff on the news and then if you're a white liberal you'll feel all this intense guilt.
Why do so many people subscribe to being this politically correct I wonder.

Are you from New England just asking?

What made you suspect I am from NE? Also I think it's because white people are so ashamed to be associated with the racist label because literally it will ruin your reputation if you are accused of it and potentially your career. I remember the scandal with Ben Affleck a few years ago when he tried to hide his slave ancestry. Dude, you are not responsible for what your ancestors did! His reaction to this was insulting and ridiculous. He had to make a whole Facebook post about it when people found out about what he did and it just sounds so cheesy and corny and overdramatic. If you had just owned up to it, people like me wouldn't still be talking about it today. Makes me wanna bash my head into a wall. :roll: :roll:


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FreakyZettairyouiki wrote:
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FreakyZettairyouiki wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
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Yeah can I ask if this is okay but what did your dad experience in the workplace. I would be interested to learn more about this problem with over political correctness.

For privacy reasons I don't want to be so specific, but he dealt with this racist guy, and he sued his workplace. He left the place and then people at the new job found out about his lawsuit and they started flipping out like crazy even though he had a good work history and this happened YEARS ago. Anything involving race, especially a minority suing, is enough to give white people (not ALL) nightmares. Plus with me I've had people apologizing for using the word "black", using the word "slave" or referring to the color of my skin and then instantly apologizing. The first incident involved my teacher in front of the entire class. To this day I am like wtf woman???
That's sad to hear. Must have taken allot of courage for your dad to do that and that is admirable.

Its kind of weird. Correct me if I am wrong but sometimes I wonder whether people who are overly politically correct don't have experience interacting with people of different races and as a result do not know what is appropriate or not. What do you think?


That's a major factor as I grew up in a mostly white area and I was the only black kid in my elementary and middle school class. Some guy literally saw my sisters walking around the neighborhood once asked them where they were from because he never saw any black people around there. Plus you see all this stuff on the news and then if you're a white liberal you'll feel all this intense guilt.
Why do so many people subscribe to being this politically correct I wonder.

Are you from New England just asking?

What made you suspect I am from NE? Also I think it's because white people are so ashamed to be associated with the racist label because literally it will ruin your reputation if you are accused of it and potentially your career. I remember the scandal with Ben Affleck a few years ago when he tried to hide his slave ancestry. Dude, you are not responsible for what your ancestors did! His reaction to this was insulting and ridiculous. He had to make a whole Facebook post about it when people found out about what he did and it just sounds so cheesy and corny and overdramatic. If you had just owned up to it, people like me wouldn't still be talking about it today. Makes me wanna bash my head into a wall. :roll: :roll:


New England: Very liberal but most of the people their are White Europeans. It was just a guess.

Thanks for telling me. Jesus Christ Ben Affleck sounds like he got hysterical, he also seems to be the kind of person that wants to fit into a box of being a good-tolerant liberal. I saw that in an interview he did about Islam. It strikes me as being really strange he thought he was going to get judged harshly for his ancestry. I guess he just didn't want people to associate him with bad things that happened throughout history.