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27 May 2007, 3:04 pm

Sometimes I think life would be easier without AS. Its difficult not to surrounded by a world that doesn't understand how you think, people who stigmatize you for being different, and the general intolerance of anything that isn't status quo.

But when I start thinking like that I realize that its the world that suffers more. Its the general population who will never think like I do or see the world the way I do. Its the people who ostracize those who are different and will never get to know all the wonderful varieties of human being out here in the world.



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27 May 2007, 3:06 pm

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27 May 2007, 6:43 pm

yes a lot :(



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27 May 2007, 8:16 pm

I suffer from social anxiety and anxiety in general (also possibly ADHD). ASD is a contributing factor, but it is not what I suffer from directly.



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27 May 2007, 8:55 pm

I don't suffer from AS.

I've had a few minor mental breakdowns but that was generally due to people with authority being overly angry about minor things. And group punishment. I cannot stand group punishment, it makes me angry.

But other then that I'm the person who was so far ahead in web design that I was helping everyone who asked me, and when I was gone for a few days I was STILL ahead of most of the class. I get 14/15 on all my speeches in speech class because of my huge vocabulary. I get a B in math with no study at all. I'm even considered one of the best spotlighters the school play director has ever had.

What suffering I do is more then canceled out by the benefits of being an Aspie.



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27 May 2007, 9:27 pm

To quote my blast at Yahoo! 360:

I don't suffer from Asperger's Syndrome. Everyone around me may suffer because I'm an Aspie, but I'm just fine!

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27 May 2007, 9:47 pm

DeaconBlues wrote:
To quote my blast at Yahoo! 360:

I don't suffer from Asperger's Syndrome. Everyone around me may suffer because I'm an Aspie, but I'm just fine!

:)


WOW, I wish *I* kept up that attitude! As they said in the 70s! RIGHT ON!! !! !!



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28 May 2007, 12:02 pm

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I suffer from AS, yes.


Sopho wrote:

How?


Sopho, if we all lived in Aspergia together, in a society where social skills and punctuality and remembering your car keys weren't more important than raw intelligence, and where people gave me half a chance to get to know me instead of ignoring me because I seem "odd," then I would not suffer from Asperger's, and I would be happy to join you and others in laughing at NTs and their silly arbitrary rules.

It is too bad that we do not live in Aspergia. We live in NT-land. In NT-land, if I want to get a job, get laid, or have friends, I had better conform to NT rules. Like it or not, NTs are the standard by which we are judged, and so in this environment, I do suffer from AS.

It was only after I accepted this fact and learned to mimick NT behavior to some degree that I began to find employment, make friends and sleep with women. The latter is extremely important. Involuntary celibacy has very severe mental health consequences which I won't go into here, but I lived with them for 15 years and have no desire to go back.



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28 May 2007, 12:03 pm

beautifulspam wrote:
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I suffer from AS, yes.


Sopho wrote:

How?


Sopho, if we all lived in Aspergia together, in a society where social skills and punctuality weren't more important than intelligence, and where people gave me half a chance to get to know me instead of ignoring me because I seem "odd," then I would not suffer from Asperger's, and I would be happy to join you and others in laughing at NTs and their silly arbitrary rules.

It is too bad that we do not live in Aspergia. We live in NT-land. In NT-land, if I want to get a job, get laid, or have friends, I had better conform to NT rules. Like it or not, NTs are the standard by which we are judged, and so in this environment, I do suffer from AS.

Exactly. So you don't suffer from having AS, you suffer from society.



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28 May 2007, 12:17 pm

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Exactly. So you don't suffer from having AS, you suffer from society.


Sopho, do you imagine that this trite point is anything I have not already heard a thousand times? However, from a practical standpoint, if I want to locate the cause of a situation, I had better locate the factor that is less permanent and more easily changed.

Let's imagine I am standing on the railroad tracks, and a train is coming. What would you say is the cause of the danger I am in? In a strict sense, both the course of the tracks and my location are causes, but in a pragmatic sense, the cause of the peril I am now in is that I am standing in front of a train. Now I have two choices: Gripe about the course of the tracks (how dare they put a railroad track in my way) or get myself out of the way before I get creamed.



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28 May 2007, 12:25 pm

beautifulspam wrote:
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Exactly. So you don't suffer from having AS, you suffer from society.


Sopho, do you imagine that this trite point is anything I have not already heard a thousand times? However, from a practical standpoint, if I want to locate the cause of a situation, I had better locate the factor that is less permanent and more easily changed.

Let's imagine I am standing on the railroad tracks, and a train is coming. What would you say is the cause of the danger I am in? In a strict sense, both the course of the tracks and my location are causes, but in a pragmatic sense, the cause of the peril I am now in is that I am standing in front of a train. Now I have two choices: Gripe about the course of the tracks (how dare they put a railroad track in my way) or get myself out of the way before I get creamed.

I am not saying that you shouldn't do whatever you feel right to try and fit into an NT society. I am simply disputing your claim that AS itself directly causes you suffering. You have admitted that it is in fact society.



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28 May 2007, 12:28 pm

you know I'm sure AS will get me killed one day :roll:



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28 May 2007, 12:41 pm

Oh goody! Another tw@t!!


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28 May 2007, 12:44 pm

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I am not saying that you shouldn't do whatever you feel right to try and fit into an NT society. I am simply disputing your claim that AS itself directly causes you suffering. You have admitted that it is in fact society.


No, I have not.

"Admitted" implies some reluctance to relinquish a position, or that one previously held otherwise. This is not so.

I have stated, not "admitted," that there are two causes of my difficulties, the overriding and vastly more important one, from a practical standpoint, is my AS, because it is the only cause that I can change.

So to the question of whether I "suffer from AS," the answer is still a resounding, echoing, unqualified yes, I suffer from AS.



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28 May 2007, 12:45 pm

scrulie wrote:
Oh goody! Another tw@t!!

He also thinks gay people are fags full of s**t, atheists are 'fagfags' and people who like history are ret*d! LOL!



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28 May 2007, 12:46 pm

beautifulspam wrote:
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I am not saying that you shouldn't do whatever you feel right to try and fit into an NT society. I am simply disputing your claim that AS itself directly causes you suffering. You have admitted that it is in fact society.


"admitted" implies some reluctance to relinquish the point, or that I previously held otherwise. This is not so.

I have stated, not "admitted," that there are two causes of my difficulties, the overriding and vastly more important one, from a practical standpoint, is my AS, because it is the only cause that I can change.

So to the question of whether I "suffer from AS," the answer is still a resounding, echoing, unqualified yes.

You must have a different view of what 'suffering from' would mean then. From how I see it, you said yourself that your problems are from living in an NT society. Therefore that is what you suffer from, not AS.