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29 Aug 2017, 6:21 am

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What I mean by “taking matters into my own hands” is that I would find a sufficiently sharp object (preferably a knife) and stab myself in the throat to (hopefully) inflict permanent damage on my vocal cords (while simultaneously staying clear of major arteries, veins, etc.), thus rendering them useless and me permanently nonverbal.

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This sounds very disturbing to me and they may even be intrusive thoughts ( even though you think it is what you want ) , I regularly get suicidal ideation and find them comforting in a strange way. Please don't attempt to mutilate yourself this is a really bad idea as so much could go wrong and you could ruin the rest of your life or even die. I have absolutely no idea what troubles Transgender people go through so I can't relate , sorry, I suggest you PM C2V and have a chat.


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29 Aug 2017, 6:36 am

I just had a thought , have you ever had a go on a Electrolarynx , I know it will make you sound a little like a robot but it would not be your voice. Tell me if I being stupid.


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29 Aug 2017, 7:24 am

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I learned about why sometimes people feel they want to be nonverbal, and that one can attain "conventional" success despite it.

This is a world I haven't really known. It's new to me.

I don't tend to think complexly.


It's pretty easy to get by without talking as long as you don't want to communicate much in the first place. Some might think how can one readily interact with others without speaking and you cant really unless both know asl. But by nature I'm the one who keeps to self so what little communicating I have to do is answering yes no type questions and similar basic stuff.

The movie Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close has a nonverbal character played by Max Von Sydow who does a good job with it. But he's a lot more interactive than myself. Plus the kid in it is very aspie-like which is also interesting.



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29 Aug 2017, 10:49 am

Thank you all for your input on this topic and a do appreciate all points of view provided. I have the following in follow-up information:

1. in response to @SaveFerris, I have no choice but to interact with the outside world because of 1) the area I live in and my friends/family expecting interaction so I'd like to shift my interactions to a form or format that is more comfortable to me. 2) in my job just not interacting is not a valid option since I can't only do chats. It's been clearly illustrated by both myself and our CEO that even without a voice or minimal use of the one you've got, it's still possible to do the job with accommodation in the form of technology. If I'm misunderstanding what you're putting out there, I'm sorry for that and am requesting clarification.

2. @EzraS, I don't have the fine motor skills or the visual processing necessary for ASL so that option is out, further because I "write like a doctor" through no fault of my own, some people have joked that they need to hire a forensic handwriting analyst to decode my cryptic handwritten notes. So if nonverbal is what I truly want I have really no option other than to go with the technological approach (handwritten notes, limited vocalization, gestures, and various "status tones" are my backup methods of communication should all devices or systems be down)

3. also @SaveFerris, I was thankfully stopped by my fiancee on numerous occasions during the 48 hours leading up to the generation of that letter. Right now there is no intent to go through with any of the plans or procedures described in that letter, it was written out of frustration.

4. With regards to the concept of using an Electrolarynx it never crossed my mind and I'll need to do additional research into it. I wonder if I need a prescription for such a device. Further, I don't think that's the rout I want to take with this one because others (such as the hospital i mentioned in the letter, and other individuals who are not to be mentioned) could in theory physically remove the device and thus restore my voice to default. such individuals would need a medical solution or evidence (x-rays, etc.) that could not be reversed or altered to prevent them from making unauthorized modifications to my hardware, preferences, or other configurations.

The above are simply follow up to the latest posts in the thread that came in while I was asleep. If I just misunderstood any information or points given, please clarify where I misunderstood, and an amended response will be issued as soon as I am able.


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29 Aug 2017, 11:28 am

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2. @EzraS, I don't have the fine motor skills or the visual processing necessary for ASL so that option is out, further because I "write like a doctor" through no fault of my own, some people have joked that they need to hire a forensic handwriting analyst to decode my cryptic handwritten notes. So if nonverbal is what I truly want I have really no option other than to go with the technological approach (handwritten notes, limited vocalization, gestures, and various "status tones" are my backup methods of communication should all devices or systems be down)


It is the same for me when it comes to asl and writing. Verbal people text chat each other all the time. Even when they're in the same room. It being such a common thing makes it quite helpful to nonverbal people. I get by with it quite well in texting back and forth with teachers for example. I was wrong in saying one can't converse non-verbally. I don't know why I said that. I text chat with a friend quite a lot.



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29 Aug 2017, 11:34 am

cfleischmann wrote:
Thank you all for your input on this topic and a do appreciate all points of view provided. I have the following in follow-up information:

1. in response to @SaveFerris, I have no choice but to interact with the outside world because of 1) the area I live in and my friends/family expecting interaction so I'd like to shift my interactions to a form or format that is more comfortable to me. 2) in my job just not interacting is not a valid option since I can't only do chats. It's been clearly illustrated by both myself and our CEO that even without a voice or minimal use of the one you've got, it's still possible to do the job with accommodation in the form of technology. If I'm misunderstanding what you're putting out there, I'm sorry for that and am requesting clarification.


3. also @SaveFerris, I was thankfully stopped by my fiancee on numerous occasions during the 48 hours leading up to the generation of that letter. Right now there is no intent to go through with any of the plans or procedures described in that letter, it was written out of frustration.

4. With regards to the concept of using an Electrolarynx it never crossed my mind and I'll need to do additional research into it. I wonder if I need a prescription for such a device. Further, I don't think that's the rout I want to take with this one because others (such as the hospital i mentioned in the letter, and other individuals who are not to be mentioned) could in theory physically remove the device and thus restore my voice to default. such individuals would need a medical solution or evidence (x-rays, etc.) that could not be reversed or altered to prevent them from making unauthorized modifications to my hardware, preferences, or other configurations.



With regards to point 1 I'm not sure how that is relevant to what I posted but I am forgetful and can also misunderstand , sorry

With point 3 , that is a relief.

With point 4 I think I mean an Electrolarynx , it's a microphone that you hold to your larynx so no prescription is necessary , I bet you get a 2nd hand one on eBay to just test one out , it was just a crazy thought I had and I just put it out there.

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Sorry if I have misunderstood where your coming from , my head is a bit of a mess at the moment :roll:


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29 Aug 2017, 11:38 am

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2. @EzraS, I don't have the fine motor skills or the visual processing necessary for ASL so that option is out, further because I "write like a doctor" through no fault of my own, some people have joked that they need to hire a forensic handwriting analyst to decode my cryptic handwritten notes. So if nonverbal is what I truly want I have really no option other than to go with the technological approach (handwritten notes, limited vocalization, gestures, and various "status tones" are my backup methods of communication should all devices or systems be down)


It is the same for me when it comes to asl and writing. Verbal people text chat each other all the time. Even when they're in the same room. It being such a common thing makes it quite helpful to nonverbal people. I get by with it quite well in texting back and forth with teachers for example. I was wrong in saying one can't converse non-verbally. I don't know why I said that. I text chat with a friend quite a lot.



@EzraS thanks for the clarification. Yes, I've noticed that SMS (texting) is very common among the verbal population (even my grandmother and step mom do it and they're completely verbal and absolutely hate technology) However, some people like my friend I'm having lunch with later today only text through apple's iMessage facility because they don't have cell phones. Plus new contacts for me won't readily provide their cell phone or iMessage information on first interaction so for me a new contact in the database can be a bit of a pain as can certain groups of contacts (such as doctors, employees of vendors, etc.)

@SaveFerris, I might have misunderstood and posted something irreverent or useless, my head's not quite on straight today.

I appreciate all the insight you and the others have given me on this and look forward to continuing the discussion.


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29 Aug 2017, 11:42 am

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@SaveFerris, I might have misunderstood and posted something irreverent or useless, my head's not quite on straight today.



That's fine , I can't even remember the last time my head was on straight as it was decades ago :lol:


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29 Aug 2017, 11:50 am

You should buy a head-calibrator, Ferris :P



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29 Aug 2017, 1:07 pm

:lmao:


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29 Aug 2017, 1:32 pm

major LOLz this discussion has gone into a mix of serious and silly. I like it. I really do love being here on this site!


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29 Aug 2017, 1:35 pm

I just watched Carly Fleischmann on YouTube. She's a trip!



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29 Aug 2017, 2:40 pm

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I just watched Carly Fleischmann on YouTube. She's a trip!


What's so "a trip" about CF? I take that as a good thing and a compliment to her?


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29 Aug 2017, 2:41 pm

She's funny. She's a "trip" in a positive sense.



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29 Aug 2017, 2:49 pm

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major LOLz this discussion has gone into a mix of serious and silly. I like it. I really do love being here on this site!


I'm sorry , I can only take so much serious before my inner child comes out , I suppose that's the time I should step away from the forum but I do it automatically then realise maybe I shouldn't have posted that. And then another poster joins in and just feeds into it and before I know it - off topic discussion , I should change my sig to that "Prone to off topic discussion"


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29 Aug 2017, 3:12 pm

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major LOLz this discussion has gone into a mix of serious and silly. I like it. I really do love being here on this site!


I'm sorry , I can only take so much serious before my inner child comes out , I suppose that's the time I should step away from the forum but I do it automatically then realise maybe I shouldn't have posted that. And then another poster joins in and just feeds into it and before I know it - off topic discussion , I should change my sig to that "Prone to off topic discussion"


Notification: having your inner child come out to break up the seriousness is just fine in most of my threads. I'll let you know in the thread it it's too serious to be broken up. As stated prior, I appreciate it.


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