More people saying they have Autism lately?
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BettaPonic wrote:
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peterd wrote:
So this thread morphed from more autistics know of their disability these days to a hate session about OCD? And they say I have trouble with logic. Sheesh…
Sorry for talking about a related disorder. This conversation was started because OCD is one of the disorders that people use in a derogatory way most often. It seems like autism may become like OCD in regards to referring to it in a derogatory way. Not hard to follow, in my opinion.
I have OCD and it being used as a slur always amuses me.
I don't mind it being used as a slur either. I sometimes find it amusing and other times I just don't really care. Maybe I should use it as a slur for something I do have OCD about sometime. "Oh goodness, I can't stop these disturbing anxious intrusive thoughts, I'm so OCD ."
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StampySquiddyFan wrote:
"Oh goodness, I can't stop these disturbing anxious intrusive thoughts, I'm so OCD ."
OCD wasn't even on my self diagnosis radar when I joined here , but since you started your OCD thread it has become apparent that OCD might be my biggest issue.
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SaveFerris wrote:
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"Oh goodness, I can't stop these disturbing anxious intrusive thoughts, I'm so OCD ."
OCD wasn't even on my self diagnosis radar when I joined here , but since you started your OCD thread it has become apparent that OCD might be my biggest issue.
I never imagined I would have OCD either. Isn't OCD that disorder where somebody has to wash their hands a lot? That's what I used to think. OCD can actually come in many forms, and sadly some forms of OCD (especially the more disturbing ones) aren't talked about often. I wish there were more resources out there for people who may suffer from OCD and not know it because all they have is a stereotype in mind. It would save 45 years of pain and trouble to know that you aren't alone.
Oh wait, I'm getting "off-topic" again .
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StampySquiddyFan wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
"Oh goodness, I can't stop these disturbing anxious intrusive thoughts, I'm so OCD ."
OCD wasn't even on my self diagnosis radar when I joined here , but since you started your OCD thread it has become apparent that OCD might be my biggest issue.
I never imagined I would have OCD either. Isn't OCD that disorder where somebody has to wash their hands a lot? That's what I used to think. OCD can actually come in many forms, and sadly some forms of OCD (especially the more disturbing ones) aren't talked about often. I wish there were more resources out there for people who may suffer from OCD and not know it because all they have is a stereotype in mind. It would save 45 years of pain and trouble to know that you aren't alone.
Oh wait, I'm getting "off-topic" again .
There probably would be more, if people actually knew what OCD really is. A lot of people tend to look at lists and stuff and then determine from that instead of asking themselves WHY they do what they do! See a lot of people forget the "C" in OCD. Watching Vampire Diaries could help someone learn what compulsion is. Say someone who likes to wash their hands a lot didn't do it they may say "Oh I forgot to wash my hands...Guess I'll go wash them." Someone with OCD would wash them multiple times against their will even if they were doing something else important.
It would be an irresistible urge. I'm guessing the stress and problem come from when you can't stop the force of the brain from making you do that.
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neurotypicalET wrote:
how about we diagnose ourselves of something we cannot deny.
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neurotypicalET wrote:
Does stress cause OCD like symptoms?
How long does a person needs to be sad for him/ her to say that they are depressed. Can a person just say that I am not depressed I am just really sad and tired for more than a year now? By the way I'm not talking about clinical depression, I'm just talking about normal depression. Which I think everybody is bound to have at some point in their life.
How long does a person needs to be sad for him/ her to say that they are depressed. Can a person just say that I am not depressed I am just really sad and tired for more than a year now? By the way I'm not talking about clinical depression, I'm just talking about normal depression. Which I think everybody is bound to have at some point in their life.
Yes, stress can in fact cause a lot of symptoms from many different disorders, but that doesn't mean that the person who is under stress has a disorder that can be diagnosed (one symptom doesn't make for a disorder). I personally develop symptoms that are present in OCD when I'm under a lot of stress - I get intrusive thoughts; during a period of my life they were so bad that I couldn't sleep, and I would have to get out of bed, covered in sweat, and sit on the floor to try and prevent a panic attack from happening. I also get compulsions that make me do things over and over because they're not "right" (i.e. folding clothes from laundry, and having to do it again and again until it's folded properly and if I don't -> anxiety). However, that has happened during specific, punctual periods of my life and it's not an ongoing struggle, thus I wouldn't be diagnosed as OCD. A person may even experience a psychotic episode during their lifetime and not get a schizophrenia diagnosis. Also, being sad is not depression; someone may not even experience sadness and be depressed (covert depression) having symptoms such as fatigue, alexithymia, sleep problems, lack of appetite, etc. Dysthymia is another condition in which the person has a long-lasting form of "mild" depression, but can do things like work and have a social life (even though it's a constant struggle) - I do have this condition and it impairs my quality of life, which is also one of the core aspects considered when giving a clinical diagnosis. [Talking from my perspective as a ND psychologist]
This is what I don't understand, I have seen OCDers say on the OCD forum theirs comes and goes or they have OCD when they are under stress or when they have certain triggers and I have read in my paper written about me that I get more obsessive compulsive when my anxiety is bad. That I was not even aware of and I wonder what obsessive compulsive stuff I got. I also know for a fact my anxiety comes and goes and my mom says the same about my autism too and I see it as yeah everyone's autism gets worse when they are tried or stressed and then on a good day, theirs might be mild because their symptoms are not as severe so I guess that makes sense when my mom says mine comes and goes. So what is the difference then for everyone else and for others with the actual disorder that comes and goes?
Does this have to be a continuous thing and not something that happens once in a life time?
Sure if someone has never experienced these symptoms, then their diagnoses could be adjustment disorder? Does it also depend on the doctor too so some might give out a anxiety diagnoses or OCD diagnoses or even autism even if theirs comes and goes and it's not like it only happened once for a situation and then never again?
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This thread is really rubbing me the wrong way. I get wanting to own your identity, and I totally get not wanting other people to falsely represent it.
BUT, one thing I really love about how autism is conveyed and talked about is that it is a spectrum. Does spectrum only mean that which has been clearly identified as diagnosable? I have been able to "pass" to people that don't know me well (or not and I just don't realize how they see me), but I have been fully aware that I process differently than most people since I was in high school. Other people show it more obviously and outwardly. That doesn't mean either of us are better or worse, or more or less autistic, it just means we've had different life experiences and similar but different life challenges.
There are hundreds of reasons that someone could be autistic and not have an official diagnosis. They are over 40 and Asperger's wasn't a thing when they were in school. Like someone else said, no access to healthcare. I will add access to quality and knowledgeable healthcare. They are female and don't fit the typical male model. They are any type of person that does't exactly fit the model of asd as described by non-autistic, old, male doctors. They don't want the stigma of a label. They aren't affected enough socially to need a diagnosis. They over-research on their own and are comfortable with their own knowing. They have been misdiagnosed with other disorders and don't trust the doctor enough to retest. They suspect they are autistic and tell a friend or family member, and that person tells them they're not so they don't go to the doctor even though they know they are...it could go on and on.
Maybe there just are a lot more people with autism out there then we think. It's nice to have a community and a forum as a place to share and connect with others who get it, diagnosed or not. For the people who you think are claiming to be autistic but really aren't, educating them would be more productive than hating on them.
BUT, one thing I really love about how autism is conveyed and talked about is that it is a spectrum. Does spectrum only mean that which has been clearly identified as diagnosable? I have been able to "pass" to people that don't know me well (or not and I just don't realize how they see me), but I have been fully aware that I process differently than most people since I was in high school. Other people show it more obviously and outwardly. That doesn't mean either of us are better or worse, or more or less autistic, it just means we've had different life experiences and similar but different life challenges.
There are hundreds of reasons that someone could be autistic and not have an official diagnosis. They are over 40 and Asperger's wasn't a thing when they were in school. Like someone else said, no access to healthcare. I will add access to quality and knowledgeable healthcare. They are female and don't fit the typical male model. They are any type of person that does't exactly fit the model of asd as described by non-autistic, old, male doctors. They don't want the stigma of a label. They aren't affected enough socially to need a diagnosis. They over-research on their own and are comfortable with their own knowing. They have been misdiagnosed with other disorders and don't trust the doctor enough to retest. They suspect they are autistic and tell a friend or family member, and that person tells them they're not so they don't go to the doctor even though they know they are...it could go on and on.
Maybe there just are a lot more people with autism out there then we think. It's nice to have a community and a forum as a place to share and connect with others who get it, diagnosed or not. For the people who you think are claiming to be autistic but really aren't, educating them would be more productive than hating on them.
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They aren't affected enough socially to need a diagnosis.
Sorry but then they don't have autism then. Being socially awkward or not knowing the social rules doesn't always mean someone is autistic. Autism is a disability and causes an impairment and problems in functioning. One can have traits but not have enough symptoms to have a diagnoses or because they're not severe enough to cause them a significant impairment. But they would not be autistic.
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248RPA wrote:
peterd wrote:
So this thread morphed from more autistics know of their disability these days to a hate session about OCD?
I left for a while and when I came back, this was exactly my reaction!
What? No one has hated on OCD here, did I miss something?
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League_Girl wrote:
Sorry but then they don't have autism then. Being socially awkward or not knowing the social rules doesn't always mean someone is autistic. Autism is a disability and causes an impairment and problems in functioning. One can have traits but not have enough symptoms to have a diagnoses or because they're not severe enough to cause them a significant impairment. But they would not be autistic.
At what point does something go from non autistic 'social awkwardness' to a significant impairment and problem with functioning?
What if you have a well paying job that requires that you have autistic traits?
Mine requires:
Exceptional long term memory going back decades. Ability to recall thousands of trivial details with great accuracy.
Excellent math abilities
Good writing skill in expressing difficult concepts
Creative thinking
Ability to handle repetitive tasks.
BTDT wrote:
What if you have a well paying job that requires that you have autistic traits?
Mine requires:
Exceptional long term memory going back decades. Ability to recall thousands of trivial details with great accuracy.
Excellent math abilities
Good writing skill in expressing difficult concepts
Creative thinking
Ability to handle repetitive tasks.
Mine requires:
Exceptional long term memory going back decades. Ability to recall thousands of trivial details with great accuracy.
Excellent math abilities
Good writing skill in expressing difficult concepts
Creative thinking
Ability to handle repetitive tasks.
Non autistics can have those abilities too. Autism is a disability and causes significant impairment and having those things you listed but no other significant impairment is not autism.
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
BTDT wrote:
What if you have a well paying job that requires that you have autistic traits?
Mine requires:
Exceptional long term memory going back decades. Ability to recall thousands of trivial details with great accuracy.
Excellent math abilities
Good writing skill in expressing difficult concepts
Creative thinking
Ability to handle repetitive tasks.
This sounds more savant than autistic.
Mine requires:
Exceptional long term memory going back decades. Ability to recall thousands of trivial details with great accuracy.
Excellent math abilities
Good writing skill in expressing difficult concepts
Creative thinking
Ability to handle repetitive tasks.
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firemonkey wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Sorry but then they don't have autism then. Being socially awkward or not knowing the social rules doesn't always mean someone is autistic. Autism is a disability and causes an impairment and problems in functioning. One can have traits but not have enough symptoms to have a diagnoses or because they're not severe enough to cause them a significant impairment. But they would not be autistic.
At what point does something go from non autistic 'social awkwardness' to a significant impairment and problem with functioning?
Good question. Apparently not being accepted and being picked on and singled out and not understood isn't a significant impairment according to The Difficult Child by Stanely Turecki and also global assessment functioning scores do not count towards your environment if your issues are caused by the environment like being singled out or bullied or treated different by society. People will just tell you to find new friends or get a different job. But when you are a child, you don't really get to pick your environment and your family and your school and your peers. There is also a saying "before you decide you have issues with socialization, make sure you are not surrounded by as*holes." I guess that could apply to someone who has this issue who is socially awkward. But at one point is someone an as*hole or just ignorant of your problems because they're NT so they don't understand your issues at all? Can it also be both; have social issues and be surrounded by as*holes?
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AquaineBay wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
"Oh goodness, I can't stop these disturbing anxious intrusive thoughts, I'm so OCD ."
OCD wasn't even on my self diagnosis radar when I joined here , but since you started your OCD thread it has become apparent that OCD might be my biggest issue.
I never imagined I would have OCD either. Isn't OCD that disorder where somebody has to wash their hands a lot? That's what I used to think. OCD can actually come in many forms, and sadly some forms of OCD (especially the more disturbing ones) aren't talked about often. I wish there were more resources out there for people who may suffer from OCD and not know it because all they have is a stereotype in mind. It would save 45 years of pain and trouble to know that you aren't alone.
Oh wait, I'm getting "off-topic" again .
There probably would be more, if people actually knew what OCD really is. A lot of people tend to look at lists and stuff and then determine from that instead of asking themselves WHY they do what they do! See a lot of people forget the "C" in OCD. Watching Vampire Diaries could help someone learn what compulsion is. Say someone who likes to wash their hands a lot didn't do it they may say "Oh I forgot to wash my hands...Guess I'll go wash them." Someone with OCD would wash them multiple times against their will even if they were doing something else important.
It would be an irresistible urge. I'm guessing the stress and problem come from when you can't stop the force of the brain from making you do that.
OCD behavior can be corrected, but the issues are almost always there in one form or another. I used to have classic OCD issues with washing hands as a very young child. My trigger was that I got battery acid on my hands while out in the garage. It really hurt my skin. Any time that I even suspected that I might have gotten an acidic substance on them, I had to wash my hands. It was not optional for me. It got to the point that I was washing my hands on average at least 50+ times a day. They got to the point that they were constantly chapped and I had to bandage them to stop them from bleeding. My parents started punishing me for this action. After a period of time, I eventually broke myself from the habit by forcing myself to realize that my hands would not be damaged by most "acidic" substances that I would come into contact with. That was hard to do, as I had to basically reprogram my mind to think against itself. Granted, I still wash my hands after I handle chemicals in a lab, toxic or not. That is good safety practice.
But, I still deal with some OCD issues in my life everyday. They are never totally gone. I have a compulsion to "double check" my apartment multiple times before I leave for work every day. It makes no real sense to do it as many times as I do, but I have to do it or I just feel like something is off. I also have a compulsion with certain numbers when brushing my hair. I always do it twice (two different brushes) and have to have the same number of brushes from each brush for symmetry. Dumb as it seems, I just cannot seem to break that one yet. Why I do these things I do not think I will ever know.
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if your issues are caused by the environment like being singled out or bullied or treated different by society.
This seems to be rather simplistic thinking. What if being bullied or singled out is due to how you are but that in turn leads to further issues ?
I was bullied and singled out because I was physically and socially awkward that in turn lead to quite severe social anxiety and a fair degree of fear and paranoia.
Certain children are more likely to be bullied and singled out than others ,IMO ,more than children randomly get bullied/singled out and then develop issues.
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