Do you think that you have an unconscious?

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01 Oct 2017, 7:55 am

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I would argue that will, in Schopenhauer's usage of the term, does not equal unconscious, as it relates to us humans.


. Or, it could be the term unconscious where we differ.

Probably



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01 Oct 2017, 3:48 pm

It is the case for both people with autism and non autism that the brain processes information that we aren't conscious about. I also think that referring to people who do not suffer from autism as neurotypical is very counter productive and makes the autism more severe. That is because trust and interest in that which we have in common and other peoples perspectives or world view is a step in the right direction for us. Being distrustful inhibits social development and the ability to adapt to other peoples point of view. Being more trustful encourages development of social insight. Obviously trust cannot and should not be controlled, but being open for it is the correct attitude.

The subconscious processing must be there. It is because there is a reason for why the thoughts which we think appear as they do, and it is because the subconscious mind or subconscious processing caused it to happen. For example we cannot predict the future of our conscious experiences, thus it is controlled by something else than consciousness which is the brain.

The subconscious mind works such that all of our thoughts are processed further subconsciously. E.g. if you learn a lot of math, the subconscious mind will make you better at it after it is "digested". However every single thought we think is absorbed like this. . We who suffer from autism tend to get lost in the detail. However being aware of your goal, what and who you want to be is what you should be more aware of and interested in. How do you do it? Well speaking of the subconscious mind this is how:

http://rgi.edu.in/rgi_pdf/power-subconscious-mind.pdf

It may be written in a style that indicates some new age perspectives and may be judged as such by those who don't understand science or psychology, but its actually pure science and really reflects how to use the properties of the subconscious mind efficiently. It is the most helpful thing I have ever read in relation to helping with my aspergers. Think positive and enjoy the flow. Don't be too repetitive, however, too much of something is never good. E.g. it is great to be kind, but not always kind to everyone etc. A valid goal I'd say is worthy to communicate with your subconscious mind could among other things be "I am a likeable person, I wish other people well and I'm feeling awesome".



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01 Oct 2017, 4:24 pm

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It is the case for both people with autism and non autism that the brain processes information that we aren't conscious about. I also think that referring to people who do not suffer from autism as neurotypical is very counter productive and makes the autism more severe. That is because trust and interest in that which we have in common and other peoples perspectives or world view is a step in the right direction for us. Being distrustful inhibits social development and the ability to adapt to other peoples point of view. Being more trustful encourages development of social insight. Obviously trust cannot and should not be controlled, but being open for it is the correct attitude.

The subconscious processing must be there. It is because there is a reason for why the thoughts which we think appear as they do, and it is because the subconscious mind or subconscious processing caused it to happen. For example we cannot predict the future of our conscious experiences, thus it is controlled by something else than consciousness which is the brain.

The subconscious mind works such that all of our thoughts are processed further subconsciously. E.g. if you learn a lot of math, the subconscious mind will make you better at it after it is "digested". However every single thought we think is absorbed like this. . We who suffer from autism tend to get lost in the detail. However being aware of your goal, what and who you want to be is what you should be more aware of and interested in. How do you do it? Well speaking of the subconscious mind this is how:

http://rgi.edu.in/rgi_pdf/power-subconscious-mind.pdf

It may be written in a style that indicates some new age perspectives and may be judged as such by those who don't understand science or psychology, but its actually pure science and really reflects how to use the properties of the subconscious mind efficiently. It is the most helpful thing I have ever read in relation to helping with my aspergers. Think positive and enjoy the flow. Don't be too repetitive, however, too much of something is never good. E.g. it is great to be kind, but not always kind to everyone etc. A valid goal I'd say is worthy to communicate with your subconscious mind could among other things be "I am a likeable person, I wish other people well and I'm feeling awesome".

No no and never.



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01 Oct 2017, 5:03 pm

HughDYork wrote:
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It is the case for both people with autism and non autism that the brain processes information that we aren't conscious about. I also think that referring to people who do not suffer from autism as neurotypical is very counter productive and makes the autism more severe. That is because trust and interest in that which we have in common and other peoples perspectives or world view is a step in the right direction for us. Being distrustful inhibits social development and the ability to adapt to other peoples point of view. Being more trustful encourages development of social insight. Obviously trust cannot and should not be controlled, but being open for it is the correct attitude.

The subconscious processing must be there. It is because there is a reason for why the thoughts which we think appear as they do, and it is because the subconscious mind or subconscious processing caused it to happen. For example we cannot predict the future of our conscious experiences, thus it is controlled by something else than consciousness which is the brain.

The subconscious mind works such that all of our thoughts are processed further subconsciously. E.g. if you learn a lot of math, the subconscious mind will make you better at it after it is "digested". However every single thought we think is absorbed like this. . We who suffer from autism tend to get lost in the detail. However being aware of your goal, what and who you want to be is what you should be more aware of and interested in. How do you do it? Well speaking of the subconscious mind this is how:

http://rgi.edu.in/rgi_pdf/power-subconscious-mind.pdf

It may be written in a style that indicates some new age perspectives and may be judged as such by those who don't understand science or psychology, but its actually pure science and really reflects how to use the properties of the subconscious mind efficiently. It is the most helpful thing I have ever read in relation to helping with my aspergers. Think positive and enjoy the flow. Don't be too repetitive, however, too much of something is never good. E.g. it is great to be kind, but not always kind to everyone etc. A valid goal I'd say is worthy to communicate with your subconscious mind could among other things be "I am a likeable person, I wish other people well and I'm feeling awesome".

No no and never.


Uhm, were you able to process any rationalization or anything that at least appears substantial at all to you which resulted in your disagreement? If so you are welcome to elaborate so that I can enlighten you about what you have failed to understand :)



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01 Oct 2017, 5:22 pm

HughDYork wrote:
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I would argue that will, in Schopenhauer's usage of the term, does not equal unconscious, as it relates to us humans.


I made my own research and i came to understanding that Will does equal unconscious.


Since this is bollocks I can already say that there is no reasonable journal which has an article that supports your so called "research".

It's easy to prove you wrong by the way. You don't desire to have negative emotions and yet you may experience them. Or you dont want to think about an elephant, and what are you thinking about? An elephant! Or sometimes anxiety affect someone where they don't want to be anxious. Evidently, will and unconcious is different.



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02 Oct 2017, 12:30 am

Snowcone wrote:
HughDYork wrote:
lorknozzel wrote:
HughDYork wrote:

I would argue that will, in Schopenhauer's usage of the term, does not equal unconscious, as it relates to us humans.


I made my own research and i came to understanding that Will does equal unconscious.


Since this is bollocks I can already say that there is no reasonable journal which has an article that supports your so called "research".

It's easy to prove you wrong by the way. You don't desire to have negative emotions and yet you may experience them. Or you dont want to think about an elephant, and what are you thinking about? An elephant! Or sometimes anxiety affect someone where they don't want to be anxious. Evidently, will and unconcious is different.

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02 Oct 2017, 4:12 am

It appears that you have already realized that you cannot win by using logic, nice :)



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02 Oct 2017, 5:15 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
They are more likely to understand there is a world and history beyond one's country's (or ethnic group's) borders.

Interesting assumption.
"No doubt, on an earlier and deeper level of psychic development where it is still impossible to distinguish between an Aryan, Semitic, Hamitic, or Mongolian mentality, all human races have a common collective psyche. But with the beginning of racial differentiation, essential differences are developed in the collective psyche as well. For this reason we cannot transplant the spirit of a foreign race in globo into our own mentality without sensibility injury to the latter, a fact which does not, however, deter sundry natures of feeble instinct from affecting Indian philosophy and the like"

Carl Jung



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02 Oct 2017, 5:16 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
though there is the implication that the "unconscious" is "deeper" than the "subconscious."

Yes i agree.



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02 Oct 2017, 10:30 pm

neurotypicalET wrote:
Would this mean that the ones who are more in touch with their unconscious mind is more likely to be global thinkers as opposed to those who use their conscious mind more, because of this " collective unconscious "?

What does "global thinker" mean?



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02 Oct 2017, 10:31 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
They are more likely to understand there is a world and history beyond one's country's (or ethnic group's) borders.

Who?