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06 Jan 2018, 9:08 pm

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If you’re a bowler, you have even more in common.

Nope that's where it ends. But I am an excellent marksman. I can shoot down bowling pins.

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06 Jan 2018, 9:12 pm

I used to bowl very often, yet rather poorly. 140 average at best.

I grew up loving the Professional Bowlers Tour on ABC TV.

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06 Jan 2018, 9:14 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

I used to bowl very often, yet rather poorly. 140 average at best.

I grew up loving the Professional Bowlers Tour on ABC TV.

I don't consider that poor at all - that would be an amazing score for me.

In 10 pin bowling, I think I average 80-95. Maybe bowling capability is a spectrum?

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06 Jan 2018, 9:24 pm

You have 5-pin bowling in Canada. I did duckpins once. Very interesting experience. How do you like 5-pin?

I averaged 74 when I was 12, the other kid in our dual averaged 134. I often thought about throwing away my 3rd place trophy because I sucked so much then.

My high score is 222. I got 7 straight strikes in that game.

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06 Jan 2018, 9:35 pm

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I personally like 5 pin more a lot more than 10 pin, but maybe that's just me being patriotic since 5-pin is a Canadian invention.

I usually score to score around 110 in 5-pin. I've gotten over 150 once, but a perfect score in 5 pin is 450 where a perfect score in 10 pin is 300.

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06 Jan 2018, 9:38 pm

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That is interesting. It sounds like you take it as a personal slight. I don't think that way. I don't mind being referred to as on the spectrum and I do not see it as devaluing me and my difficulties in any way. My deficits are fairly obvious to anyone who spends time with me and I don't have the energy to waste on worrying what other people think. I do think some people use the term spectrum because they don't like saying the word autism. I also think you would find many NT people are rather confused about Aspergers, HFA and classical Autism so it's just easier for them to say spectrum and people tend to like easy options. I don't think it's done to suggest autism isn't serious but I may be wrong. I don't spend much time thinking about it to be honest.

Not a personal slight. I'm not offended by it. More concerned because people like me are grouped in with people who are capable of having families and jobs, for example. I don't believe in a spectrum much, because now people are all lumped together, even though there are several clear presentations of autism. For example, the Kanner presentation (aka classic autism), the Asperger presentation (aka a high-functioning form of autism), the Atypical presentation (people who don't exactly fit the other two or fit but have atypical symptoms) OR many other possible presentations. Not one big spectrum.

It's really hard to figure it out sometimes. There's one situation where people can't get friends and family to believe they're autistic. And those who talk about being able to mask their autism. And those who talk about their spouse and kids and friends and high end career. And then there's people like me where none of that applies and never will. But really I guess what separates me is my significant special needs classification.

I agree what really matters is how it comes down to your actual everyday life. It's so ambiguous how someone who can drive a car and go to college could have the same condition as someone like you or me who barely function and at great effort.

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06 Jan 2018, 9:44 pm

Spinal Bifida has a vast range of symptoms.

One person could have discoloration of skin near the tailbone, and be otherwise normal in every way.

Another person could be wheelchair-bound and severely disabled in many other ways.

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06 Jan 2018, 9:45 pm

EzraS wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

If you’re a bowler, you have even more in common.

Nope that's where it ends. But I am an excellent marksman. I can shoot down bowling pins.

That would be awesome to watch.

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07 Jan 2018, 12:56 am

livingwithautism wrote:

EzraS wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

If you’re a bowler, you have even more in common.

Nope that's where it ends. But I am an excellent marksman. I can shoot down bowling pins.

That would be awesome to watch.

They make good targets because unlike bottles you can shoot them more than once.

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07 Jan 2018, 10:15 am

EzraS wrote:

livingwithautism wrote:

EzraS wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

If you’re a bowler, you have even more in common.

Nope that's where it ends. But I am an excellent marksman. I can shoot down bowling pins.

That would be awesome to watch.

They make good targets because unlike bottles you can shoot them more than once.

I never even knew people shot bowling pins. What kind of gun did you say you use? I can't use one anyway I don't think because I'm ineligible for a FOID card.

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07 Jan 2018, 6:07 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

The “spectrum” aspect reflects the diversity of autism.

You're right but most people seem to think of it as a sliding scale of severity. I see it this way: you have autism or you don't. The differences are how much and in what ways it affects your life.

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07 Jan 2018, 6:56 pm

livingwithautism wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

The “spectrum” aspect reflects the diversity of autism.

You're right but most people seem to think of it as a sliding scale of severity. I see it this way: you have autism or you don't. The differences are how much and in what ways it affects your life.

Person A meets 50.5% of the criteria-diagnosed. Person B meets 49.5% of the criteria-not diagnosed. Is there really much difference. Both may have areas in which they struggle to function.

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07 Jan 2018, 9:17 pm

firemonkey wrote:

livingwithautism wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

The “spectrum” aspect reflects the diversity of autism.

You're right but most people seem to think of it as a sliding scale of severity. I see it this way: you have autism or you don't. The differences are how much and in what ways it affects your life.

Person A meets 50.5% of the criteria-diagnosed. Person B meets 49.5% of the criteria-not diagnosed. Is there really much difference. Both may have areas in which they struggle to function.

Not how much in a quantitative way, a qualitative way. What autistic qualities that affect their life and what extent does the person need support. It's not about a percentage.

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07 Jan 2018, 10:43 pm

livingwithautism wrote:

EzraS wrote:

livingwithautism wrote:

EzraS wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

If you’re a bowler, you have even more in common.

Nope that's where it ends. But I am an excellent marksman. I can shoot down bowling pins.

That would be awesome to watch.

They make good targets because unlike bottles you can shoot them more than once.

I never even knew people shot bowling pins. What kind of gun did you say you use? I can't use one anyway I don't think because I'm ineligible for a FOID card.

Ruger Mark III .22 caliber. I'm not eligible for concealed weapon permit either, but that's not needed for target shooting at a range. It's kept in a gun case when I'm not using it.

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07 Jan 2018, 10:51 pm

livingwithautism wrote:

firemonkey wrote:

livingwithautism wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

The “spectrum” aspect reflects the diversity of autism.

You're right but most people seem to think of it as a sliding scale of severity. I see it this way: you have autism or you don't. The differences are how much and in what ways it affects your life.

Person A meets 50.5% of the criteria-diagnosed. Person B meets 49.5% of the criteria-not diagnosed. Is there really much difference. Both may have areas in which they struggle to function.

Not how much in a quantitative way, a qualitative way. What autistic qualities that affect their life and what extent does the person need support. It's not about a percentage.

I have posted many times that it's not what thay might have that's really the issue, but rather how significant of an impact it has on their life.

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08 Jan 2018, 12:35 am

Sometimes I wonder if said issues of "On the spectrum" are mainly internal (memory, cognition, motor functioning, sensory regulation, social intuition...) -- things that cannot be resolved by the social model or neurodiversity alone. More of a fundamental difference in and itself that may or may not be a problem regardless of the environment.
Or mainly external (environmental interactions, 'triggers', human culture...) -- things that are usually resolvable with the right environment. Something more of a disadvantage or difficulty as symptoms than disability. Difference as a problem.

Hmm..

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