Innocence, honesty and Aspergers
I've done the same. I didn't think it was so unusual. But then, I'm not NT.
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What would most people do in that situation?
I can relate to this. I have caught myself lying before, but then immediately felt the need to confess. The lies feel unbearable, like they are damaging and burning a hole in me. I value honesty and disclosure above all, and like somebody else said, have always sought Truth in life.
In terms of innocence, I have been very self-destructive in the past, so have done drugs and other dangerous things. But I always retained an innocence throughout (was scared and reluctant). Perhaps if I had this Aspie piece of the puzzle earlier in my life I wouldn't have gotten so lost. Since life was scary and overwhelming from early childhood, I learned to push myself to do things I didn't want to do - go to school, be around people. So later on I couldn't discern between pushing myself in safe situations versus pushing myself in dangerous situations. I just thought I had to force myself to do scary things.
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What would most people do in that situation?
They won't get involved - it takes time, and isn't paid.
Yeah I understand you and what you said about Asperger's being related to innocence and honesty. I have high functioning autism myself and what you where saying sounds relatable to me. I remember when I used to volunteer at the senior center near my house. The director was telling me that there would be a horse racing event on Thursday. I said, " Where will the horses be?". Then she laughed and told me they don't use actual horses in the game and that it was just a game. I felt embarrassed and stupid for believing that there would be live horses there. I was 17 at the time. Right there, that's why people with autism get called innocent because they tend to take statements literally without questioning them and can also be gullible. About honesty, I'm terrible at faking my emotions. If I'm angry, I will show it through my facial expressions and body language. Same goes for happiness, sadness, and fear. I also remember back in high school, I let a guy in my class copy my homework out of sympathy. I was too shy to say no to him. During 8th period English class, my teacher saw that his homework was similar to mine. She took me out in the hallway and asked if I cheated. I said no. Then she asked me if he copied my homework. I started blushing and looking away from her. I didn't say anything. Then she said, " Your face tells me everything". She knew I wanted to tel the truth but I couldn't because I was too scared of telling her about it and the guy possibly getting pissed off at me for telling. That's were honesty shows in people with autism and me. We always tell the truth and we're bad at lying. our body language gives us away. We're brutally honest. So am I
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I'm not always literal-minded, but one time a woman my age who had seen me around her office asked me if I'd like to go get coffee with her. I don't drink coffee, and I was well hydrated, so I just said "No, thanks." Years later, I realized that she had been hoping to talk with me.
First things first, I apologize for my bad English.
I am a 27 years old male from Paris, France. I have been diagnosed with Aspergers.
I always felt different. I was a very shy kid, afraid to go to nursery school.
I was born in a very strict family, my mother is French literature teacher and my father is very traditional (Judaism).
Nowadays, I still feel my (strong) difference, I am still afraid of a lot of things. I may appear as a normal guy, but I am afraid of certain things that I found bad. For example, smoking, going to nightclubs, to casinos, driving, taking drugs. I really don't understand how people can do these things, these things make you look so not innocent. When I see my friends smoking or driving I am shocked!
I was a very good kid from a very strict family so you may understand why I feel that way. But my two little sisters were raised in the same family and they smoke, drive, love nightclubs... We are 3 in the family and I am the only one with Aspergers, my sisters have very high IQ (above 150 at WAIS). They were not as good as I was at school, they were not as innocent and honest as I am. I was a very good student because I was very good and obedient kid from a very strict and traditional/puritan family. But my sisters were raised the same way by the same parents.
It's not even regarding those things, it's also the way they think. They are calculating, manipulating persons whereas I am really honest and gullible. It's like even the way they think is less innocent. I am unable to lie, to cheat (even to break with my girlfriend since I am too much attached to her), to manipulate. I am a straight-forward person.
My question is: why am I so honest and innocent and not my sisters? Do you think it's related to Aspergers? Do you feel the way I do regarding the things I listed?
Thanks.
Ps: my topic is related to these two topics: "Why Do People Equate Autism With Innocence?" and "Aspergers And Innocence, Naivete, Gullibility, Etc".
Pps: I was not diagnosed with ADHD but I think I have this disorder. Maybe that's why I am less calculating and manipulating.
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What would most people do in that situation?
They won't get involved - it takes time, and isn't paid.
Truthfully, I wouldn't get involved either...but for different reasons. The (presumably) NT folks involved would try to use me to their advantage. The guy who was at fault, the guy who wasn't at fault, the lawyers, the prosecutor, the judge, etc.
Which brings us to another issue: SURVIVAL. Sometimes, I think we, as Aspies, need to lay-low, or flat out lie to them, or play it cool, or tell NTs what they want to hear just to get out of situations where the odds are against us; situations where the truth won't "set us free" but only cause more problems for ourselves. It sucks, but it's necessary, especially if our honestly won't have the intended effect we think it will. Sometimes, we need to prudently play nice with them and withdraw ourselves from their games.
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^^ It worked out pretty well. The defence lawyer asked me if I might have forgotten the details in the months before the trial, and I agreed that I might have, but added that what remained crystal clear was that I had offered my help to the party who would want a witness. That was so conclusive that we were out of there before my new friend even realised he had won.
I'm glad it all worked out, and I'm surprised the defense lawyer didn't accuse you of being in cahoots with the plaintiff, or at least emotionally biased.
I tend to be very literal. A lot of humor just flies over my head, so that makes social situations more difficult. I'm also really good at missing subtext and pretty gullible too.
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I've always been that way too. Unfortunately it's easy to get manipulated when you're honest, naive and innocent and I have always been so I learned the hard way that a lot of people take advantage of people like us. I'm a lot more cautious now and I try to stick to people who are the same as me as I see anyone else as someone who might just want to get involved with me in order to use me.
I've seen that other aspies have the same problem in other forums but is it really a problem? I don't think so. It's really the people who manipulate, take advantage of and who ruin their health with drugs and excessive amounts of alcohol that have a problem, not us.
I am afraid of a lot things too. I had a close friend who was interested in drugs, for some reason, and who would make fun of me for not even wanting try weed which to many isn't even a "real" drug. I just didn't want to and did not see the point in it.
First things first, I apologize for my bad English.
I am a 27 years old male from Paris, France. I have been diagnosed with Aspergers.
I always felt different. I was a very shy kid, afraid to go to nursery school.
I was born in a very strict family, my mother is French literature teacher and my father is very traditional (Judaism).
Nowadays, I still feel my (strong) difference, I am still afraid of a lot of things. I may appear as a normal guy, but I am afraid of certain things that I found bad. For example, smoking, going to nightclubs, to casinos, driving, taking drugs. I really don't understand how people can do these things, these things make you look so not innocent. When I see my friends smoking or driving I am shocked!
I was a very good kid from a very strict family so you may understand why I feel that way. But my two little sisters were raised in the same family and they smoke, drive, love nightclubs... We are 3 in the family and I am the only one with Aspergers, my sisters have very high IQ (above 150 at WAIS). They were not as good as I was at school, they were not as innocent and honest as I am. I was a very good student because I was very good and obedient kid from a very strict and traditional/puritan family. But my sisters were raised the same way by the same parents.
It's not even regarding those things, it's also the way they think. They are calculating, manipulating persons whereas I am really honest and gullible. It's like even the way they think is less innocent. I am unable to lie, to cheat (even to break with my girlfriend since I am too much attached to her), to manipulate. I am a straight-forward person.
My question is: why am I so honest and innocent and not my sisters? Do you think it's related to Aspergers? Do you feel the way I do regarding the things I listed?
Thanks.
Ps: my topic is related to these two topics: "Why Do People Equate Autism With Innocence?" and "Aspergers And Innocence, Naivete, Gullibility, Etc".
Because manipulating is a social skill
and understanding manipulation is a social skill.
Iv'e never liked the idea of seedy bars and drugs and such.
but I wondered once, what if I did want to do drugs? How would I even know where to get them? How do people know these things?
That was a mystery to me.
I had no idea how connected other people were and I grew old not realizing how isolated I was.
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I would have considered myself innocent until I began school, but I gradually became more suspicious of people as time went on. This was not a good thing. I have begun to open myself up more to people, while still exercising discretion and common sense.
I consider myself very honest. I have learned to control the tendency I had when I was younger to say what came to my mind and to pause when I get annoyed or frustrated.