24 Aug 2018, 8:24 am
jimmy m wrote:
hobojungle wrote:
^No sour grapes. Simply over “us” against “them” threads. 
No this is not an "us vs. them" thread. It goes to the core question: "Do you feel you have the right skill set to succeed in life?" And if not, what is missing? How can you get from where you are today to where you need to be tomorrow?
The purpose of this thread is not an "us vs. them". Some Aspies have succeeded and some have fail. Both in your generation and mine. So the key question is what approaches worked and what approaches failed. If Aspies are to ever succeed in life they must emulate the approaches that worked rather than emulating the approaches that failed.
24 Aug 2018, 8:26 am
B19 wrote:
One of the primary values our generation was taught (it was drummed into all children, AS and NT) was to "learn to stand on your own two feet". We left home as soon as we could, usually in our teens, and strived to become as independent as possible, learning by trial and error (and finding what worked) how to live independent lives.
I see you've been paying attention to my posts... 
B19 wrote:
I feel very deep pain for the generations after us in which so many were taught the polar opposite - you're autistic, you'll never amount to anything, you count for nothing much, you will always be dependent to a greater or larger degree. They have been brainwashed from an early age to believe in their incapacity so entirely that millions appear to be living with its consequence of living lives of utter hopelessness.
<* cough *> (name redacted) <* cough *> (other name redacted) <* cough *> (more names redacted - we all know who they are...)B19 wrote:
I'm old, I'm the matriarch of my family, and the two AS generations after mine were and are offered personal support and encouragement to be the best that they could be, as individuals within the context of their own aptitudes and their aspirations; they escaped the hopelessness narrative at home and in their extended family, and I think that is part of the reason that they are making progress in their current lives and ambitions. We valued them as individuals.
I'm sure there was a little of that "Ya gotta stand on yer own two feet" mixed in there somewhere.B19 wrote:
It seems that many young WP members have never known what it is to be valued for themselves, and live with an inner void of anger at life's unfairness. The Senior generation here have had a very different experience, with its own challenges (for sure) and hurts, but we have also learned a great deal about living as AS people along the way.
This is not to slam those younger folk; but it's the difference between being a "Victim" and a "Survivor". We Boomers are survivors, while Gen-Xers and Millenials seem to be victims. We got our butts kicked, got up, and went back to work, because that's just what you do! We didn't learn any different. Nowadays, if kids get their butts kicked, someone calls the waaambulance, the SJWs swoop in, and The Media interviews everyone even peripherally involved for their emotional reactions to the poor kid's trauma. Meanwhile, the kid is surrounded by well-meaning people who may be trying to help him or her get over their hurt, but who only succeed in reinforcing the child's victimhood.So the kid learns that it's better to never try than to risk failure -- the ultimate victims.
24 Aug 2018, 8:31 am
24 Aug 2018, 8:48 am
hobojungle wrote:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Baby boomers are perfect, we get it. Not that you’re biased or anything.
How do you feel knowing baby boomers are ill prepared for retirement & many will outlive their savings?
How do you feel knowing baby boomers are ill prepared for retirement & many will outlive their savings?
I've pretty well diversified my investment portfolio and have had a paid up house for the past five years. And, since my wife passed, I haven't had any significant expenses, other than paying taxes and utilities.
24 Aug 2018, 9:05 am
hobojungle wrote:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Baby boomers are perfect, we get it. Not that you’re biased or anything. How do you feel knowing baby boomers are ill prepared for retirement & many will outlive their savings?
I'll let Teddy answer this one...It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. -- THE MAN IN THE ARENA; Excerpt from the speech "Citizenship In A Republic", delivered at the Sorbonne, in Paris, France on 23 April, 1910.
24 Aug 2018, 9:14 am
jimmy m wrote:
hobojungle wrote:
^No sour grapes. Simply over “us” against “them” threads.
No this is not an "us vs. them" thread. It goes to the core question: "Do you feel you have the right skill set to succeed in life?" And if not, what is missing? How can you get from where you are today to where you need to be tomorrow?
I like this core question. Life is a dynamic journey with ups, downs, & in-betweens. During certain times & at certain places, a human may have the “right” skill set. At other times & places, not so much.
I feel I have enough of a “right” skill set to perhaps be successful in the long term. I’m a hard worker, a creative problem solver, & a curious self-starter, with the ultimate goal of self-employment.
But I have a limit. Many limit. I’m not more or less than another human. Just different. Sometimes I succeed in pulling myself up by my bootstraps, other times I fail.
24 Aug 2018, 9:18 am
24 Aug 2018, 9:22 am
BTDT wrote:
hobojungle wrote:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Baby boomers are perfect, we get it. Not that you’re biased or anything.
How do you feel knowing baby boomers are ill prepared for retirement & many will outlive their savings?
How do you feel knowing baby boomers are ill prepared for retirement & many will outlive their savings?
I've pretty well diversified my investment portfolio and have had a paid up house for the past five years. And, since my wife passed, I haven't had any significant expenses, other than paying taxes and utilities.
Good for you. I’m a big believer in frugality myself. I don’t wish financial insecurity on anyone, at any age.
24 Aug 2018, 9:25 am
jimmy m wrote:
... As Aspies we must learn to do things our way. It may not be the conventional way. But if it works, if we can get the job done. And do the job efficiently and produce a good product, then we have succeeded in life.
24 Aug 2018, 9:27 am
24 Aug 2018, 9:29 am
jimmy m wrote:
... Aspies have strengths and weakness. But I do not let my weaknesses define me. I utilize my strengths to overcome any weaknesses. And that is how one succeeds in life.
Another !
24 Aug 2018, 9:34 am
In my experience, there are weaknesses one can overcome, weaknesses one can manage, & weaknesses one must accept. Of course, I have so very many weaknesses from which to choose, so that “helps”.
Who knows but maybe by the time I’m 70, I will have conquered them all? 
24 Aug 2018, 9:39 am
hobojungle wrote:
In my experience, there are weaknesses one can overcome, weaknesses one can manage, & weaknesses one must accept. Of course, I have so very many weaknesses from which to choose, so that “helps”.
Who knows but maybe by the time I’m 70, I will have conquered them all?
Who knows but maybe by the time I’m 70, I will have conquered them all?
Focus on your strengths and let your great strenghts define you.
24 Aug 2018, 9:52 am
Fnord wrote:
hobojungle wrote:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Baby boomers are perfect, we get it. Not that you’re biased or anything. How do you feel knowing baby boomers are ill prepared for retirement & many will outlive their savings?
I'll let Teddy answer this one...It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. -- THE MAN IN THE ARENA; Excerpt from the speech "Citizenship In A Republic", delivered at the Sorbonne, in Paris, France on 23 April, 1910.
Not a great guy to quote considering,
"I agree with you if you mean, as I suppose you do, that society has no business to permit degenerates to reproduce their kind. It is really extraordinary that our people refuse to apply to human beings such elementary knowledge as every successful farmer is obliged to apply to his own stock breeding. Any group of farmers who permitted their best stock not to breed, and let all the increase come from the worst stock, would be treated as fit inmates for an asylum. Yet we fail to understand that such conduct is rational compared to the conduct of a nation which permits unlimited breeding from the worst stocks, physically and morally, while it encourages or connives at the cold selfishness or the twisted sentimentality as a result of which the men and women ought to marry, and if married have large families, remain celebates or have no children or only one or two. Some day we will realize that the prime duty the inescapable duty of the good citizen of the right type is to leave his or her blood behind him in the world; and that we have no business to permit the perpetuation of citizens of the wrong type."
He was big on eugenics.
24 Aug 2018, 10:25 am
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