AS traits - Neither autistic or neurotypical -inconclusive

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This trying to find genetic evidence, its just the attempt to abuse more children. Its eugenics. And its also people who want to find the locus of the religious idea of original sin in their child. Lloyd deMause says that such things amount to using the child as a poison container.

Every time you or I endorse the concepts of Autism, Asperger's, or Neurological Difference, we are further marginalizing ourselves, and we are encouraging child abuse.

Right now as you are reading this, there are parents driving their child to the doctor, simply because they find the child to be an embarrassment. And these are children whom the parents did not need to have, they merely did so hoping that they would be able to give themselves an unstigmatized adult identity.

So I no longer talk about Autism-Asperger's, or Neurological Difference.

Richard

Genetics works by opening possibilities, which may or may not be triggered. So how people develop is not 100% deterministic from genetics. Like trying to find a gene for Left Handedness. Who the hell cares!

Evidence, and the book I would suggest reading first:
https://www.amazon.com/Constructing-Aut ... 0415321816

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Autism-Medi ... ami+timimi

And it comes totally from the Eugenics Movement, even that lab at Yale. Above two books.

Looking for the locus of Orignal Sin, using the child as poison container.

https://www.amazon.com/History-Childhoo ... d+de+mause

Lloyd de Mause is a Psychohistorian.

Sami Timimi is a Psychiatrist, and he says there is zero medial basis for Autism-Asperger's.

People drive their kids to the doctor for the same reason they had the kids, to try and give themselves an adult identity.

https://www.amazon.com/Sickened-True-St ... +childhood

They run the one separation ward for the entire state of Rhode Island. They see all the cases where parents are using the medical system to abuse their children.

https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Child-Ab ... hild+abuse

Children they did not need to have, its called living in Bad Faith:

https://www.iep.utm.edu/beauvoir/

And she says that for most women, "Maternity is an inauthentic choice."

https://www.amazon.com/Beauvoir-Demysti ... tification

There is zero evidence that Autism-Asperger's is real. Bogus medical ideas used to abuse and to support Social Darwinism and Eugenics, yes of course they could be considered conspiracies. Any time one of us promotes the idea of Autism-Asperger's, it means that more children will be abused. If we don't protect the children of today, who will?

Richard

I asked for VALID EVIDENCE -- real research papers that have been peer-group reviewed and scientifically vetted -- not a collection of crackpot pulp fiction rags that would have made Eric von Daniken look like another Einstein.

Get real, please.

Get real.

Autism is a lived experience, mostly of being bullied, abused, and persecuted, just for being who you are. And often the worst of the abusers are the parents, though usually aided by White Coats.

And I identify with the life experiences written about by the autism advocates such as John Elder Robison. But I do not interpret what they say in the same ways.

I do not believe that Autism-Asperger's exists as any Defect, Disorder, Deficiency, or Neurological Difference.

As such I do not talk about Autism-Asperger's, I only talk about Shamanic Experience.

Each time any of us endorse the idea of Autism-Asperger's, we are encouraging child abuse.

Richard

As I see it, many people question the voracity of Autism-Aspergers. I have listed many books. And then as we now know that Hans Asperger sent at a minimum 5000 children to be euthanized, but then was able to evade justice, I believe that more people will be coming forward, people who before would have been afraid to speak.

Autism-Asperger's never could have even come into acceptance without the Nazi Eugenics Movement.

Nadesan makes this painstakingly clear:
https://www.amazon.com/Constructing-Aut ... 0415321816

I read the accounts of the Autism Advocates and mostly it just seems like the assessment gives them relief because it exonerates the abusers, most especially their parents. Alice Miller never went along with the idea that it is not something primarily caused by parents.

And then I first learned of the Tony Humphries article from this very forum.

I do not go along with the concept of Mental Illness either, and I am opposed to the Recovery Movement and to all Evangelical Religion as well.

Frances Tustin treated Autism-Asperger's with Psychoanalysis, she saw it as something more of a curable injury than a disorder.

Let me ask you, do you want to see more children getting driven to the doctor so that they can be assessed with Autism-Asperger's ?

And what purpose could such assessments possibly serve?

Richard

Well what good is accomplished by labeling people?

People have a broad range of temperaments.

Many people support and agree with what Frances Tustin did, and her approach is still the approach used in Latin America.

As it stands today there is not a single black and white assessment indicator for Autism-Asperger's, and there is absolutely nothing which tells us what caused it or what the prognosis is.

Why do we have to give people such labels? Why don't we just put up a sign on the doctor's office which says, "Out of Business" ?

In the writings of the autism advocates you can see the abuse, most of the time it is that a parent finds them to be an embarrassment.

Generally it is better if one can be more felexible in how they interact with people. But those who are under attack cannot do this. Generally it seems that when those labeled as autistic no longer live with their parents, that then things do start to improve for them.

Lots of parents live for no other purpose than to be driving their child to doctors. They will exhaust all the doctors in the yellow pages, and then they still find ways to continue.

I would never let anyone do that to me, but there are children who are duped and who feel that it would be unsafe to resist.

Many people feel that the entire Mental Health system amounts to nothing more than this, and I do agree.

And you think people agree, well no, says that autism is the single greatest source of controversy.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/07432 ... bl_vppi_i0

And says that the real epidemic is in all the demands for Applied Behavioral Analysis hours, and that this is the real epidemic, and he says that it is all "Mommy Guilt".

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/16016 ... bl_vppi_i8

And the descriptions given for Attachment Disorder look to me very similar to what is seen as the case with childhood autism.

And it saddens me to say, but often the children they put on the cover of this, no doubt to gain pity, really do look like the monkeys that Harry Harlow abused with his maternal deprivation studies.
https://autismdigest.com/

And in John Elder Robison's third book, about raising his son Cubby, I feel that what he describes being done to his son is an extreme case of what Alice Miller calls the Narcissistic Wound.

Licensed professional therapists say that once they meet the parents of a child who supposedly suffers from ADHD, they automatically understand exactly what is happening.

Tony Humphries says pretty much the same thing about Autism - Aperger's. And I first learned about the Humphries article hear on this very forum.

Kraichgauer, do you want more children to be assessed, and if so, what on earth for?

Richard

I'm beginning to agree with Rich, I actually see what he's trying to say in regards to the diagnosis, what it really means to have aspergers or not, how it's perceived ect. It's just another label really. Sure it may be beneficial to know or not if you meet the criteria, especially if you need help and support. I get what he means from a biological point of view and eugentics, especially since we live in a world, where genetic screening and editing of genes is now occurring. Maybe someday, autism can be wiped out entirely. It's controversial how environmental factors as well as vaccines can cause autism or out of a reaction, people can have autistic like behaviours. But will autism be a thing of a past? what does it really mean to be autistic? or have a diagnosis?

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Thank you Rich for the links. I'll look into that.

Just thought! everyones a lil bit neurotypicals or autistic. in certain areas, maybe its not as clear cut or maybe, it's another sheeps mentality, wanting to be diagnosed.

Yeah I firmly believe that "normal" does not exist. Everyone has something.