Why is Asperger's so much more common these days?

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30 Nov 2018, 11:22 am

It's most plausible that people are now getting diagnosed who weren't before. There's a huge demographic of teens and adults who never got a diagnosis, and since there's more information on different, non-steryotipical autistic behaviors (especially between the sexes), more people are getting a diagnosis.



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04 Dec 2018, 1:35 pm

I think it might be due to the fact, there are more diagnostic tools out there which can help individuals better able to identify persons on the spectrum possibly.



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04 Dec 2018, 4:15 pm

Was Asperger's perceived differently in the 90s to what it is today then? I heard Asperger's was discovered (by a guy with an ugly surname) in 1994 I think it was, but still tons of children, except me, still went unrecognised.


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04 Dec 2018, 5:06 pm

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Was Asperger's perceived differently in the 90s to what it is today then? I heard Asperger's was discovered (by a guy with an ugly surname) in 1994 I think it was, but still tons of children, except me, still went unrecognised.

Is this a joke?
I will assume that you are not making some sarcastic reference to some above post that I missed, and really need that much remedial learning. Okay:

Aspergers was discovered by the guy of that name in Austria shortly before Austria merged with Germany under Hitler, and shortly before the war.

Aspergers was not recognized as a thing pretty much anywhere outside of the German speaking world until 1994 when it was recognized in US (prolly in the rest of the Anglosphere at about the same time) and put into the DSM and part of the autism spectrum. But even ten years later most of the dumb mediocre therapists in the US had never even heard of aspergers yet. So to answer your question: no. There was NO "change in the attitude toward aspergers in the English speaking world in the 90's" because before the mid Nineties there was NO attitude toward it at all because nobody knew it existed.



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04 Dec 2018, 6:24 pm

Asperger's is what I meant when I said "guy with ugly surname", because I just think it's an ugly word. I wish he was named Kingsley or something. "Kingsley Syndrome" rolls quite nicely off the tongue.

Maybe "perceived" wasn't the right word. It's just when people see this thread they think of the years prior to 1990 when Asperger's wasn't a thing. But I'm talking about the 1990s and 2000s, preferably from 1994 to about 2010, when Asperger's was known in the UK (otherwise I wouldn't have had the diagnosis of Asperger's in 1998), but in the last 7 or 8 years Asperger's diagnosis seems to be so common in children that I know of. I was just asking if back in the 1990s and even 2000s it was based on stereotypes more, where as now the knowledge of Asperger's is even more broad.

I wasn't being sarcastic about any posts here.


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04 Dec 2018, 6:28 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Asperger's is what I meant when I said "guy with ugly surname", because I just think it's an ugly word. I wish he was named Kingsley or something. "Kingsley Syndrome" rolls quite nicely off the tongue.



I think if another Austrian had discovered it , it would be funnier 'Schwarzenegger Syndrome'


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04 Dec 2018, 6:33 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
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Asperger's is what I meant when I said "guy with ugly surname", because I just think it's an ugly word. I wish he was named Kingsley or something. "Kingsley Syndrome" rolls quite nicely off the tongue.



I think if another Austrian had discovered it , it would be funnier 'Schwarzenegger Syndrome'


True.. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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04 Dec 2018, 7:02 pm

I never even heard of the disorder until 2007 when I first joined this forum. I think more and more people are hearing about it because over the years more and more people have accused me of having it and I'm female.

One psychatry said based on my childhood psych reports about how I had meltdowns, needed social skills therapy and was obsessed with narrow topics that I might have easily gotten an ASD diagnosis if I was a kid nowadays, but I was a kid of the 80's-90's and I got back then a label of ADHD/ severely emotionally impaired.

Heck new "disorders" keep emerging, DMDD is a "new" childhood mood disorder definded mostly as a child that resembles childhood bipolar but is definded by frequent meltdowns and irritability. These kids used to be considered a part of childhood bipolar, I actually wonder if I fell in this category too due to the huge amount of meltdowns I had as a kid and still have on occasion.


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05 Dec 2018, 12:48 pm

Being introverted is a personality trait, whereas AS is a developmental disorder which affects the way the brain processes information and consequently the way we think. The characteristics common to both AS people and introverts are:


- They usually prefer to be alone and choose solitude

- They may avoid loud social environments such as parties or clubs.

- They usually have fewer friends

- They may and lack confidence and be reluctant to try new things.

- They may suffer from anxiety and find it hard to approach people and join in conversations.

- May have difficulty with eye contact.



People with AS have these traits, but as was pointed out above, may be extrovert. In addition, people with AS have other traits that introverts don't experience:



- sensitivity to sensory input, mainly noise, touch and light.

- adherance to routines, or intense dislike of sudden changes to routines.

- Fine and gross motor impairment (clumsiness, poor coordination, bad handwriting, etc)

- Cognitive delay or slow processing speed. Inability to process information as fast as peers, which makes participation in conversations difficult because they can't keep up with the conversation. Introverts without AS don't experience this.

- difficulties maintaining concentration or attention.

- Intense interests on which they can sustain focus for a long time.

- Difficulties recognising and controling emotion, becomes overloaded easily and reach meltdown faster.

- Different way of thinking: more intense, linear and detail orientated.

- Difficulties with non-verbal communication: finds it hard to recognise or pick up on facial expression, moods and body language.

- Is not aware of the social funcion of verbal communication, especially in childhood, and uses speech as a means of exchanging information rather than for social communication



So actually, AS is quite a lot more than being just a bit shy or introverted.



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05 Dec 2018, 2:18 pm

Aspie19828 wrote:
Being introverted is a personality trait, whereas AS is a developmental disorder which affects the way the brain processes information and consequently the way we think. The characteristics common to both AS people and introverts are:


- They usually prefer to be alone and choose solitude

- They may avoid loud social environments such as parties or clubs.

- They usually have fewer friends

- They may and lack confidence and be reluctant to try new things.

- They may suffer from anxiety and find it hard to approach people and join in conversations.

- May have difficulty with eye contact.



People with AS have these traits, but as was pointed out above, may be extrovert. In addition, people with AS have other traits that introverts don't experience:



- sensitivity to sensory input, mainly noise, touch and light.

- adherance to routines, or intense dislike of sudden changes to routines.

- Fine and gross motor impairment (clumsiness, poor coordination, bad handwriting, etc)

- Cognitive delay or slow processing speed. Inability to process information as fast as peers, which makes participation in conversations difficult because they can't keep up with the conversation. Introverts without AS don't experience this.

- difficulties maintaining concentration or attention.

- Intense interests on which they can sustain focus for a long time.

- Difficulties recognising and controling emotion, becomes overloaded easily and reach meltdown faster.

- Different way of thinking: more intense, linear and detail orientated.

- Difficulties with non-verbal communication: finds it hard to recognise or pick up on facial expression, moods and body language.

- Is not aware of the social funcion of verbal communication, especially in childhood, and uses speech as a means of exchanging information rather than for social communication



So actually, AS is quite a lot more than being just a bit shy or introverted.


Before I knew I was autistic I took a few classes for introverts because that is what I thought my problem was.


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05 Dec 2018, 4:06 pm

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Yes but I'm talking about the 90s, when Asperger's was heard about and autism wasn't just for "low-functioning" children. Plus I was a girl yet I still got diagnosed in 1998.


Aspergers wasn't recognized as a diagnosis in the US until 1994. And even then most of the dumb mediocre shrinks in the US had still never heard of the condition as late as ten years later. It takes time for both knowledge to spread, and for the medical establishment to apply the knowledge. So its not surprising that more folks get diagnosed with HFA/aspergers today than even in the post 1994 Nineties.

But if you are finding that every other kid in your country is getting diagnosed with aspergers then maybe something is wrong, and that it is getting overdiagnosed in your country.



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05 Dec 2018, 5:24 pm

A diagnosis that only make you feel excluded from society and it changes absolutely nothing and you are destined for a life of loneliness, isolation and misery.



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05 Dec 2018, 5:40 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Asperger's is what I meant when I said "guy with ugly surname", because I just think it's an ugly word. I wish he was named Kingsley or something. "Kingsley Syndrome" rolls quite nicely off the tongue.

Maybe "perceived" wasn't the right word. It's just when people see this thread they think of the years prior to 1990 when Asperger's wasn't a thing. But I'm talking about the 1990s and 2000s, preferably from 1994 to about 2010, when Asperger's was known in the UK (otherwise I wouldn't have had the diagnosis of Asperger's in 1998), but in the last 7 or 8 years Asperger's diagnosis seems to be so common in children that I know of. I was just asking if back in the 1990s and even 2000s it was based on stereotypes more, where as now the knowledge of Asperger's is even more broad.

I wasn't being sarcastic about any posts here.


I get that part about the guy's name, but you made it sound as if it were saying that it was "discovered" by that guy IN "the 1990's" which made it look as if you were either making fun of others being confused, are that you yourself actually were confused.

But absolutely. I wish it had been discovered by ...Leonardo Di Caprio!

Hell...I would even take Ernie Anastasio (the famous mob boss who was gunned down in barber's shop in 1950) because I like his melodic name!



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05 Dec 2018, 5:43 pm

I remember as a child, very early 70s, I was watching "night gallery" and noticed my first exposure to any depiction of autism. I thought at the time, "that guy up there is just an extreme version of ME!" 8O



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I remember as a child, very early 70s, I was watching "night gallery" and noticed my first exposure to any depiction of autism. I thought at the time, "that guy up there is just an extreme version of ME!" 8O


Interesting.

Didn't realize that Night Gallery had an episode with an autistic child. I assume that it was a child because back then no one ever even thought about grown ups with autism.

Around 1965 when I was ten or eleven, I heard a talk radio show all about autism. Parents and experts talking at length, and sharing experiences, and clearing up misinformation (and showing how autism is not the same thing as mental retardation). For some reason I got hooked on listening to it. And the thought occurred to me that maybe "there is a mild watered down version of autism, and maybe that's what I have". My parents were already sending me to shrinks. Both of the ones I had seen by that time were thoroughly worthless. Long story short: I dismissed my theory at that time, but half of a century later I was officially diagnosed with a mild form of autism.



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auntblabby wrote:
I remember as a child, very early 70s, I was watching "night gallery" and noticed my first exposure to any depiction of autism. I thought at the time, "that guy up there is just an extreme version of ME!" 8O


Interesting. Didn't realize that Night Gallery had an episode with an autistic child. I assume that it was a child because back then no one ever even thought about grown ups with autism. Around 1965 when I was ten or eleven, I heard a talk radio show all about autism. Parents and experts talking at length, and sharing experiences, and clearing up misinformation (and showing how autism is not the same thing as mental retardation). For some reason I got hooked on listening to it. And the thought occurred to me that maybe "there is a mild watered down version of autism, and maybe that's what I have". My parents were already sending me to shrinks. Both of the ones I had seen by that time were thoroughly worthless. Long story short: I dismissed my theory at that time, but half of a century later I was officially diagnosed with a mild form of autism.

they did not label the character autistic but his behaviors were clearly autistic even to my child self at the time. i'd just watched a documentary about autism, so I was a bit clued in.