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09 Dec 2018, 10:30 pm

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You have had bad experiences with professionals, but not everyone has.

I'll bite. Can you describe a good example of a Rogerian therapist? It's a fact that Rogerian therapy focuses on emotions/feelings, the very aspect aspies aren't good talking about. Furthermore, if an aspie gives an answer that goes against the therapist's personal beliefs or formal training, the therapist won't believe him/her.

I briefly tried CBT as an adult. It wasn't invasive and traumatizing, just pointless, like putting on a headache compress when I have a sprained ankle.



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09 Dec 2018, 10:36 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
Arganger wrote:
You have had bad experiences with professionals, but not everyone has.

I'll bite. Can you describe a good example of a Rogerian therapist? It's a fact that Rogerian therapy focuses on emotions/feelings, the very aspect aspies aren't good talking about. Furthermore, if an aspie gives an answer that goes against the therapist's personal beliefs or formal training, the therapist won't believe him/her. I briefly tried CBT as an adult. It wasn't invasive and traumatizing, just pointless, like putting on a headache compress when I have a sprained ankle.

old expression, "your mileage may vary." this aspie IS tuned into feelings and is decidedly NOT logical.



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09 Dec 2018, 10:55 pm

I did speech when I was 5. I also went to a developmental preschool at the same age. There was one week at the school where ABA was tried as a pilot project. I was told to point at the purple tunnel or the brown mountain. I felt a little angry that I wasn't given any green Smarties as a reward. I'm glad that it was only an experiment and that I didn't have to go through that for 40 hours a week.


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09 Dec 2018, 11:00 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
Arganger wrote:
You have had bad experiences with professionals, but not everyone has.

I'll bite. Can you describe a good example of a Rogerian therapist? It's a fact that Rogerian therapy focuses on emotions/feelings, the very aspect aspies aren't good talking about. Furthermore, if an aspie gives an answer that goes against the therapist's personal beliefs or formal training, the therapist won't believe him/her.

I briefly tried CBT as an adult. It wasn't invasive and traumatizing, just pointless, like putting on a headache compress when I have a sprained ankle.


auntblabby has already answered that.
Any good therapist will adjust the therapy for the individuals needs. For instance, for you, the professional might have a focus on reconzing and addressing emotions.
I personally believe in using several methods and using what will work best out of them for each individual.


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10 Dec 2018, 6:47 am

auntblabby wrote:
old expression, "your mileage may vary." this aspie IS tuned into feelings and is decidedly NOT logical.
Point taken. But basically means that in order to appease the therapist and keep them off your back, you have to lie and manipulate, by memorizing a laundry list of emotion words and using them at random, just because you're "supposed to".

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I did speech when I was 5. I also went to a developmental preschool at the same age. There was one week at the school where ABA was tried as a pilot project. I was told to point at the purple tunnel or the brown mountain. I felt a little angry that I wasn't given any green Smarties as a reward. I'm glad that it was only an experiment and that I didn't have to go through that for 40 hours a week.
This sounds like a creepy test. What was the point of a purple tunnel and the brown mountain? :? But you were 5, so at least it was age-appropriate. I once had a shrink make me do childish tests like this when I was 12. She had me draw my family, and asked stupid questions like "What would you do if your neighbor's house was on fire?" I wanted to say "pee on it" just for laughs, due to how stupid this question was, but I was afraid she'd diagnose me as a psychopath or something.



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10 Dec 2018, 7:06 am

When I had speech therapy as an adult (not for an autism diagnoses) I learned to modulate complete sentences, In other words, I got rid of the monotone characteristic of many Aspies. My articulation of individual words already quite good before I started therapy. I have progressed to where I can display emotion when I talk in a very useful customer service fashion, much like the "dog whistles" used in politics.



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10 Dec 2018, 10:38 am

Aspie1 wrote:
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I did speech when I was 5. I also went to a developmental preschool at the same age. There was one week at the school where ABA was tried as a pilot project. I was told to point at the purple tunnel or the brown mountain. I felt a little angry that I wasn't given any green Smarties as a reward. I'm glad that it was only an experiment and that I didn't have to go through that for 40 hours a week.
This sounds like a creepy test. What was the point of a purple tunnel and the brown mountain? :? But you were 5, so at least it was age-appropriate. I once had a shrink make me do childish tests like this when I was 12. She had me draw my family, and asked stupid questions like "What would you do if your neighbor's house was on fire?" I wanted to say "pee on it" just for laughs, due to how stupid this question was, but I was afraid she'd diagnose me as a psychopath or something.


ABA is creepy, almost always as a rule.
Asking things like that is meant to get the kid used to following meaningless instructions without question, so that eventually they will listen to other instructions even if they are uncomfortable or painful. It's called discrete trail and what it really is is dog training.


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10 Dec 2018, 10:41 am

DTT (Discrete Trial Training) is very much like "dog training."

There was once a person here who participated in the "Lovaas" training. Ivor Lovaas was a psychologist who advocated Discrete Trial Training. A famous 1986 study attested to the "success" of DTT.



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10 Dec 2018, 10:52 am

^
Yep, not to mention that same guy used the same methods for conversion therapy.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1311956/


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10 Dec 2018, 10:57 am

He seemed like one of those "old-time" scientists who only believed in the "science" and not the "person."

Some of them were really dangerous people, in retrospect.



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10 Dec 2018, 10:58 am

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He seemed like one of those "old-time" scientists who only believed in the "science" and not the "person."

Some of them were really dangerous people, in retrospect.


I wouldn't trust him with a flea let alone a child.


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10 Dec 2018, 11:43 am

I've not had any therapy but my mom feels I need therapy for not wanting to make friends down here



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10 Dec 2018, 1:21 pm

Discrete Trial Training, or DTT, is one of the most common types of therapy used to treat autism spectrum disorder. Back in the 1980s, Dr. Ivar Lovaas developed discrete trial training as a technique for working with children with autism. Discrete trial training relies on the so-called ABCs of applied behavior analysis: Antecedent-Behavior-Consequence. It is not a separate type of therapy from ABA, but rather just one of many types of treatments rooted in applied behavior analysis.

The key aspect of DTT is that it breaks behaviors down into very small, discrete components, and reinforces them methodically and sequentially to build up into one overall desirable behavior.

Linking a number of separate skills together in this way is called chaining.

With complex behaviors – which, depending on the child could mean navigating through a full school day, or just getting through bath time without a meltdown – this helps avoid the problem of being unable to successfully reinforce all the little victories required to ultimately achieve a positive outcome. If a behavior involves many steps, waiting to the final step to provide a reward doesn’t help reinforce intermediate steps or allow an easy way to correct any behaviors that missed the mark along the way.

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Conversion therapy is the pseudoscientific practice of trying to change an individual's sexual orientation from homosexual or bisexual to heterosexual using psychological or spiritual interventions.

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Thanks Arranger and kraftiekortie. I will add them to the list.


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10 Dec 2018, 1:39 pm

This branch of science is far behind in here in my opinion.
I don't want to eat drugs and I do not trust doctors. So I am my therapist.
I sometimes try to change my outdoor habits like routes, shopping places.



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10 Dec 2018, 9:45 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
old expression, "your mileage may vary." this aspie IS tuned into feelings and is decidedly NOT logical.
Point taken. But basically means that in order to appease the therapist and keep them off your back, you have to lie and manipulate, by memorizing a laundry list of emotion words and using them at random, just because you're "supposed to".


sorry, but I never had to do any of that, I just yammered away and he listened to me for as long as it took, the full 50 minute hour. that was a novel experience for me to have somebody listen to me. it made me feel decidedly less alien :alien:



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17 Dec 2018, 8:36 pm

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I've gotten regular occupational therapy and I once had cognitive behavioral therapy (which was successful). And I've had lots of speech therapy. And physical therapy.


Did you feel like any of these therapies were productive for you?


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