Has anyone point-blank said "I don't like you"?
it's always interesting that 'NT' default bullying/dog-eat-dog tendencies and behaviour esp in groups is not 'psychologically dysfunctional' but the bullied person's internal withdrawal or protective reserve, or reactions to BEING bullied is.

the person poking the tiger in its pen with a sharp stick - but it's the tiger which is aggressive and needs discipline, for growling back. (have not seen this happen at zoos in N America but have in other countries and documentaries) that type of thing.
^^^THIS. Exactly. It's the perverse tribal-hierarchical nature of neurotypicalism. People in their "in-group" are more likely to be highly critical of actions of those outside their in-group. Just like the institutional bias in the school system, when a "special" or "different" kid stands up for himself to a bully with physical force, he gets suspended for 2-3 days and the bully is the "victim" because he's the normal one.

Because once it reaches the point of us getting harassed, we're already deemed as mentally deficient, "less-than", the lepers, whatever pejorative. Empathic justice is virtually non-existent. Retaliating in that situation would be akin to a Jew in 1930s Germany standing up to an abusive "pure" German, even if in self-defence, it is the Jew who would be disproportionately punished



To paraphrase Nietzsche, "the madness of the group is normal, the madness of one is unacceptable".
*** yes, thank you. I am Jewish and live in Texas. I was the only Jew until end of high school. The first time I was bullied for this was in kindergarten. A child told me they didn't need my kind there and I was going to burn in hell until I accepted Jesus. The next day others started in on me. I got upset more because they were loud and crowding me then what they were saying, I got overwhelmed and flipped out. I told my mom when I got home. She spoke to the teacher about her not stopping it. Teacher said I was the problem for avoiding the group and not being socially active. If I was more friendly, instead of reading and coloring all the time they would like me. My mom told her that had nothing to do with religious prejudice, how did they even know I was Jewish i never mentioned it, which means they heard an adult say something. Long story short, my rabbi got involved and for the most part it stopped. Until a few years later. By then my rabbi had taught me how to deal with them.
He told me physical and emotional sadists ( which is what bullies are) enjoy your pain and reactions, so don't give them what they want. Even if your in physical pain don't cry out and just smile at them or laugh a good hearty laugh or say G-d bless you. Either way they will get bored because a toy that doesn't do anything is boring or they will be put off guard and leave you alone. This advice has helped me through many bad situations and 9 times out of 10 it works. He told me if you react and fight back, you will almost always be blamed.
Sadly, that is the way of the world is and its only gotten worse recently with the trend of victimization of the criminal. The perpetrators have more rights than the victims. G-D forbid you should have to defend yourself against a rapist, murder, or home invader. Because in those instances you have to fight back. I know people who were blamed for using excessive force when defending themselves because they knew martial arts. Apparently its a crime to know how to defend yourself, but the home invader was just down on his luck and needed money.
Anyway, I feel we may have veered into a deeper topic on this thread. Lol. My point is, best advice ignore them, or smile and tell them to have a swell day unless they mean you serious bodily harm.
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I’ve had several people say things like “you’re really weird”, “you’re odd”, or “are you high?”. I haven’t really ever had many people say to me point blank that they don’t like me, but I’ve had situations that, when looking back and analyzing things, I kind of feel like they didn’t care for me much. For example, the coworker that I was partnered with on a daily basis would pick me up for work each morning at the same time and we would do plumbing work together. I enjoyed plumbing because it was like solving puzzles in my mind about where each pipe should travel and I mostly worked by myself on the job sites (I really liked that aspect). In the beginning, my coworker was really talkative and enthusiastic. As long as we talked about interesting topics like music I was comfortable engaging with him one on one. Eventually, he wanted to talk about politics and things I wasn’t comfortable discussing. He also began to observe my unusual behavior and made comments about me being odd. The thing that, looking back, stood out to me the most was he just stopped talking to me entirely. He wouldn’t say anything when I got in the truck and I am not capable of initiating conversation. So he silent treated me until I finally gave in and resigned. It was really frustrating.
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Yeah, I know what you mean by that perverse ghosting treatment - it's not like you seriously wronged them in some way, it's just based on some ingrained prejudice that you give them the willies because you're deemed to be mentally ill based on your condition. I personally think he overreacted - I mean, it's not like you made jokes about harming people or started laughing maniacally for no reason (think the behaviour of the Joker as portrayed by Joaquin Phoenix and you get the idea).

I suppose you could always turn the tables, a tactic used by narcissists...ask him "are you OK? you've been very quiet lately." and follow up with "is something bothering you?" - try it with the next person you're in such a situation with, if you've already cut the ties with this fellow. Try to show genuine concern, but yes, you will also have to come across as clueless at the same time...because the person will likely think "isn't it obvious that YOU'RE the source of my discomfort???"
Yeah, I know what you mean by that perverse ghosting treatment - it's not like you seriously wronged them in some way, it's just based on some ingrained prejudice that you give them the willies because you're deemed to be mentally ill based on your condition. I personally think he overreacted - I mean, it's not like you made jokes about harming people or started laughing maniacally for no reason (think the behaviour of the Joker as portrayed by Joaquin Phoenix and you get the idea).

I suppose you could always turn the tables, a tactic used by narcissists...ask him "are you OK? you've been very quiet lately." and follow up with "is something bothering you?" - try it with the next person you're in such a situation with, if you've already cut the ties with this fellow. Try to show genuine concern, but yes, you will also have to come across as clueless at the same time...because the person will likely think "isn't it obvious that YOU'RE the source of my discomfort???"
Good ideas, thanks. There were times when I thought about asking what was wrong, but I just couldn’t make the words come out right. Plus, he seemed very aggressive and actually called me a “f******* dumbass” on a job site once, so I didn’t want to argue with him.
Funny thing is, I’ve asked those questions with people I’ve been comfortable with (not many of those), and I actually got called a narcissist once and another time I got accused of gaslighting. I didn’t even know what gaslighting meant. So, I just gave up and stuck to sitting silently lol. I’m just the worst at nonverbal communication. If people would just UNDERSTAND us!
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I like a few fellow misfits was an easy target for bullies (including two teachers who believed bullying was a good thing) for the majority of my grade school and middle school years, so yes.
At my former Catholic church, I served as an usher for about six years. Although I hardly had any problems with the majority of fellow churchgoers, most behaved like Hollywood A-lister types towards me and my family; snobbish, arrogant, rude, etc. It felt like high school all over again with an example being that a female choir member (about the same age as me) always kept looking at me as I collected the offertory with the other ushers.
As much as I wanted to tell her parents to tell her to stop looking at me, I knew for a fact that they would not take me seriously just because of me being on the spectrum.
After I left being an usher, I waited an extra year to determine which parish to switch to. I chose a nearby Catholic parish to attend church at and have not regretted my decision since.
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At my former Catholic church, I served as an usher for about six years. Although I hardly had any problems with the majority of fellow churchgoers, most behaved like Hollywood A-lister types towards me and my family; snobbish, arrogant, rude, etc. It felt like high school all over again with an example being that a female choir member (about the same age as me) always kept looking at me as I collected the offertory with the other ushers.
As much as I wanted to tell her parents to tell her to stop looking at me, I knew for a fact that they would not take me seriously just because of me being on the spectrum.
After I left being an usher, I waited an extra year to determine which parish to switch to. I chose a nearby Catholic parish to attend church at and have not regretted my decision since.
Haha, Hollywood A-listers! Sorry, that gave me a chuckle. The entitled, elitist, and arrogant behavior with no logic to it.. that should be classified as a disorder but it's just too widespread!
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At my former Catholic church, I served as an usher for about six years. Although I hardly had any problems with the majority of fellow churchgoers, most behaved like Hollywood A-lister types towards me and my family; snobbish, arrogant, rude, etc. It felt like high school all over again with an example being that a female choir member (about the same age as me) always kept looking at me as I collected the offertory with the other ushers.
As much as I wanted to tell her parents to tell her to stop looking at me, I knew for a fact that they would not take me seriously just because of me being on the spectrum.
After I left being an usher, I waited an extra year to determine which parish to switch to. I chose a nearby Catholic parish to attend church at and have not regretted my decision since.
Haha, Hollywood A-listers! Sorry, that gave me a chuckle. The entitled, elitist, and arrogant behavior with no logic to it.. that should be classified as a disorder but it's just too widespread!
It sure is, Sister Blooie!

My NT sister no longer goes to church not only because of those reasons, but also because she becomes annoyed whenever a little kid becomes fussy and if the parents don't do anything about it. However, she still prays.
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