Is autism becoming infantalised?

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Also - thing about 'giving it a chance'.

If it's bright lights, I refuse to give something a chance.

I go to the optician and get glasses. I put on my dark glasses if it's something I have to do. But why should I go to every non-autistic friendly thing going? Or be deprived of having shows etc to go to? Even shops?

It doesn't take a lot to warn about lights.

It does take a lot to put on another production but the fact that ones exist is a moral and social (and even capital - otherwise companies wouldn't do it) good thing.

There is no more reason why I should put myself in unnecessary pain for seeing an inaccessible show than that I should stab myself in the eyes just to 'give it a chance'.

I see it a bit like having a ramp available. Which for the record, I think there should be.

Temple Grandin has said something about it too in one of her books. She feels autistic kids are being held back and she says how autistic people are more employed in Japan than they are here. She also has met parents who said they don't want to bother teaching their autistic child social skills when they are in fact fine how they are. She has even said how there are those who have less severe autism than her but can't even order their food at a McDonalds.

My mom used to make me order my own food. The more I had to practice, the easier it became. She also wrote about how every time she had a "tantrum," she would always get a consequence. Unless it was sensory related, she got no consequence. She was pretty much forced to follow the rules and any rules her mom set out, she was expected to follow them too like the rest of her siblings. She was also expected to use table manners.

She feels autistic kids are not getting any of this stuff and it's not being enforced onto them. She even said it frightens her to imagine if she were an autistic child today. She does not think she would be where she is now if she were born in today's time.

^ I spent nearly a dozen years increasingly deteriorating because the emphasis, support wise., is on those with acute SMI and those of us with chronic SMI are afterthoughts .

I didn't push for help and support as a previous attempt was shot down in flames in a rather curt and hostile manner. My stepdaughter had tried for years to get me to move near her, but I was too anxious to do so. What finally made me agree to move was that the block of flats I was living in was going to be demolished.

I now get a fair amount of support. I live on my own, but in a healthier way.

Likewise, so isn't it ironic that despite the fact you refuse to understand my viewpoint, we kind of want the same things. I would like to be a supportive person, but I am being stonewalled by prejudice.

I would pay taxes to help people out with autism, though on the condition that my money wasn't being demanded.

I don't wish to downplay anyone's struggles but that's what I see you doing. Your refusal to get into someone else's shoes is more trouble than ASD if you ask me.

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-Georges Lemaitre
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This thread is not about certain autistic people's dignity, it's about all of us. Some people just want to be treated like anyone else would. No specific attention for me PLEASE.

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"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos

Being treated like a kid is way more crippling for someone like me than not being accommodated by a lack of fluorescent lights.

I have never been particularly accomodated & I don't expect that to change. You're calling me ableist; I work with an ASD career support program for middle & high school kids. Everyone in my group at work is on the spectrum & you don't speak for us.

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"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos

That's not the way taxes work. They have to be set and regulated, they're not optional. Otherwise there's no way to do the budgeting. It has to be organized.

Exactly, which is why minorities still need to organize to get any kind of government backing, instead of just complaining about the conditions to other people with the same problems.

I don't have any power to fix this, but because I participate in an economy that is hostile to me as well I'm being blamed for the sh***y conditions.

Do I legitimately believe it's reasonable to reconfigure everything around our minority preferences? Of course not. Look for middle ground, don't just go witch hunting the people in a position to help instead of working with us.

I support autistic people's rights, not excess privileges.

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"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos

Again, the problem here is that people with ASD are not being recognized as the adults most of us are.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with our capacity in any regards. Disrespect is disrespect & I'm not known for putting up with it from anyone. If you refuse to see me for who I am because my disadvantages are less apparent, consider that may be because I worked on something.

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"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos