Why do people think solitude is such a bad thing?

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17 Oct 2020, 4:39 am

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They don't want us to end up lonely. They want us to learn to make friends when we are younger so that we will develop the skills needed to form relationships that will help us in later life.


Yep.
People need to explore the world for life experience, when they are young.
But when you are older, not so much.


Well, if someone *missed out* on doing it when they are young, then they would want to do it when they are older in order to make up on what they missed out on. At least thats the case for me.


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17 Oct 2020, 4:58 am

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That's not NTs, that's Chavs.


Chavs and posh versions of chavs (drunk extroverts) are always the ones who insist there is something wrong with my personliaty rather than talking to me about my hobbies or what I'm reading etc.


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17 Oct 2020, 6:04 am

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That's not NTs, that's Chavs.


I have always wondered what Chavs are. Re: hobbies - besides socializing not being one, what about life as a couch potato, just alternating entertainments? Instead of having friends, watching Friends and getting worried about their "lives?"



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17 Oct 2020, 10:37 am

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My mum's capable of it and she's NT. So it really is just some people who 90% of the time in my experience tend to be NT.


Keep in mind that, out of general population, 99% of people are NT-s. So saying that "only" 90% of people who do certain thing are NTs doesn't really prove the intended point. In fact it proves the opposite. If 90% of gossipers are NTs, it means that 10% of gossipers are on the spectrum. So if out of the whole population only the fraction of percent are on the spectrum while out of gossipers the whopping 10% are, that would mean that gossiping is a very much spectrum thing. I know you didn't mean to say this -- you probably pulled 90% out of the air -- but be careful :)

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It doesn't help that so many hobbies are stigmatised in adults. Things like lego, making things from clay, colouring books, are all real hobbies.


I don't see colouring books as a real hobby. Real hobbies is when you get something accomplished. I am doing math and physics professionally but at the same time I am doing it as a hobby too. My hobby is to do the areas of math and physics that I am not doing professionally :) I realize its not enough I need to be able to relax too. So the other hobby is travelling. Here, too, I get something accomplished. I have never been to certain place, and now I have. I just learned something new. Or even taking long walks around town and finding places I never been before. Or even trying new food. Something "new".

But with coloring books, whats the point. So suppose you colored it, then what? In fact based on my definition, making friends is a lot closer to real hobby than coloring books because with making friends you do make something accomplished: you have new friends! Although once they are no longer new this point would no longer be there -- unless they introduce you to someone new.



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17 Oct 2020, 11:12 am

You get the colouring done/accomplished.

And you get to leave people alone and be out of the way doing something independent rather than hogging people's time.

99% of people in the general population might be NT. But I don't choose to spend time with 99% of the population. And 99% of the population isn't in my family...

When I was at uni with intelligent people, this didn't come up. Same as at sixth form. When I was at school, it came up but only in the final years when my mum put me into the wrong school. When I was in the world of volunteering, it came up because I was around people who weren't very bright (when they staffed libraries with volunteers they got rid of any kind of qualifications you might need to be an assistant).

People need to learn to leave other people alone unless they want to work on an activity together which is a mutual interest of theirs.

Two boring people make friends. So what? That doesn't actually achieve anything. One boring person pesters a person who's busy = creating a problem.


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18 Oct 2020, 11:12 am

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I had to stay in a psychiatric ward for about maybe a week when I was 15


I apologize in advance if this question makes you uncomfortable, but I am just curious: how did you end up in the hospital? If it was your parents who turned you in, and they turned you in because of the solitude issue, that would be a bit surprising. It seems like they went from being overly-understanding (by letting you stay in your room all day without any interference) and not understanding at all (by placing you into the hospital). And what caused them to do such a drastic jump so suddenly?


Aggression and "mood swings" Me choosing to isolate myself never really bothered my parents.


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18 Oct 2020, 8:49 pm

There's a massive difference between solitude most of the time, and all of the time.

In general I just wish people would leave me alone. But I know if they actually did, I'd probably go completely crazy within a matter of months.

The lone time gives me the strength to get through the shared times. But the shared time also helps me get through the lone times, even if it doesn't always feel like it.

I like interacting with people - well, some people - but it's tiring. Doesn't mean it isn't healthy or necessary. There's a serious risk that when my parents die I'll have no-one to have an in-depth conversation with at all, and that's really scary.

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18 Oct 2020, 9:47 pm

^^ That reminds me of a retiring actress who is frequently quoted as saying "I vant to be alone." She actually said "I vant to be left alone." One such lady was living on the fringes of an artistic/rural community with a decent view. Not wanting to be recognized, she wore the standard Hollywood disguise of big hats, collars, and scarves, etc when going to the local general store. We don't know who she was, but if she'd worn a checkered shirt and no makeup like the locals, we'd have noticed nothing at all.



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21 Oct 2020, 3:11 pm

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^^ That reminds me of a retiring actress who is frequently quoted as saying "I vant to be alone." She actually said "I vant to be left alone." One such lady was living on the fringes of an artistic/rural community with a decent view. Not wanting to be recognized, she wore the standard Hollywood disguise of big hats, collars, and scarves, etc when going to the local general store. We don't know who she was, but if she'd worn a checkered shirt and no makeup like the locals, we'd have noticed nothing at all.


That was Gretta Garbo.


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21 Oct 2020, 3:39 pm

I remember being sent to summer camp for two weeks around age ten. One evening, we had a "treasure hunt" - we had to search the woods for yellow-painted rocks, which could be traded for supper. I heard later that there were good options on the menu that night. I started out behind the others, trying to search more thoroughly, but I soon realized that there was no rule about actually finding any and going to the mess hall. I enjoyed two hours of solitude in the cabin, and didn't even miss dinner.



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21 Oct 2020, 11:11 pm

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But with coloring books, whats the point. So suppose you colored it, then what? In fact based on my definition, making friends is a lot closer to real hobby than coloring books because with making friends you do make something accomplished: you have new friends!


Dude! There is a job called a colorist. And there are coloring competitions where people send in their coloring of an artist coloring book. And if you aren't doing that, it is calming. I love color, I'm a bit obsessed actually, thats one of the reasons I love quilting, I love picking out complimentary fabric. I love the math involved in making quilt patterns too. I love painting and drawing as well. But I use coloring books to practice my shading and color blending.

I also use coloring books as a form of stimming, which was actually a suggestion from my psychologist. If I try to sketch, paint or quilt around others I get too absorbed, so my doc suggested color challenge coloring books. When I'm a bit overwhelmed with noise etc but still want to stay around my friends and family, I color to calm myself so I can still interact with them. My friends and family started joining me and enjoy it too. Sometimes we have our own contests to see who does the best blending. I enjoy blending colors. It makes me happy.


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22 Oct 2020, 7:21 am

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But with coloring books, whats the point. So suppose you colored it, then what? In fact based on my definition, making friends is a lot closer to real hobby than coloring books because with making friends you do make something accomplished: you have new friends!


Dude! There is a job called a colorist. And there are coloring competitions where people send in their coloring of an artist coloring book. And if you aren't doing that, it is calming. I love color, I'm a bit obsessed actually, thats one of the reasons I love quilting, I love picking out complimentary fabric. I love the math involved in making quilt patterns too. I love painting and drawing as well. But I use coloring books to practice my shading and color blending.

I also use coloring books as a form of stimming, which was actually a suggestion from my psychologist. If I try to sketch, paint or quilt around others I get too absorbed, so my doc suggested color challenge coloring books. When I'm a bit overwhelmed with noise etc but still want to stay around my friends and family, I color to calm myself so I can still interact with them. My friends and family started joining me and enjoy it too. Sometimes we have our own contests to see who does the best blending. I enjoy blending colors. It makes me happy.


I love the idea of colouring books but can't seem to get on with them- they make my wrist and head hurt! The only hobby where I get to play with colour is Lego- they've added dozens of fantastic colours to the range since I was a kid, and one of my favourite things is to make vehicles in improbable colours like indigo or teal.

In the world of comics, a good colourist can make a massive difference to the finished artwork. Just finished reading "House of X / Powers of X", a recent Marvel series, which has some real virtuouso colour work from David Curiel and Marte Gracia.


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22 Oct 2020, 7:27 am

Some jobs telecommute.

"Silence is golden"

"Loose lips sink ships"

"Actions speak louder than words"

Solitude could be good, bad, both, or neither



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22 Oct 2020, 11:16 am

Why people think solitude is bad it's because do not understand solitude.

It was then assumed the best path of living is to not take a break, or even consider constant social simulation as the only and/or ideal form of self care.

It was then times where extroversion is assumed to be associated with being attuned with emotions, certain notion of how one should live and all those achiever stuff.

It was then the common misunderstandings of solitude as a form of mental health symptoms; isolation, withdrawal, lack of maturity or adaptive skills, etc.



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22 Oct 2020, 1:00 pm

People think solitude is bad because it can cause permanent psychological harm to normal people. There are laws that limit the amount of solitary confinement time a prison can use on it's prisoners. There are many incidents that tell of how a man has changed after being in solitary confinement to long.

There are stories that talk about men being removed from society to long. How many stories include a crazy hermit who lives in a cave? Think about tales of the crazy old miner 49'er who has been digging for gold to long by himself.


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22 Oct 2020, 1:22 pm

Some people can't live with themselves so they surround themselves with others.

I know that when I do something I thought was bad, I tend to surround myself with others or with irrelevant distractions like music in order to handle the guilt.

I don't think many bullies at school were autistic. It makes sense the bullies have guilt and seek out a gang that tells them not to worry...


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