Why I can never get along with anybody

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19 Dec 2020, 9:12 pm

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I still go with the OP coming in contact with the wrong people.

I encounter people every day. Very few of them have expressed the opinions he mentioned. One tends to encounter these sorts of opinions on the Internet, rather than in “real life.” Possibly because there’s an anonymity in the Internet which makes people bolder, and sometimes brings out the worst in people.

I bet the OP will ultimately succeed in romance.


It's because you live in New York. Several of those things are believed by the majority of American conservatives. Creationism especially is very common where I live.



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19 Dec 2020, 10:02 pm

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Its not your fault, but ...WOW!
Am not talking about religiosity. I am talking about cultural literacy.

Both your family, and your nation's education system massively failed you! Its not your fault.


I'm perfectly fine with people being that removed culturally. If I were lost in the Australian outback, I'd have to rely on people who navigate by singing. I'd also point out that when Sherlock Holmes learned that the Earth went around the Sun, he decided that since this did not seem relevant to his career, he would do his best to forget it.



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19 Dec 2020, 10:09 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I still go with the OP coming in contact with the wrong people.

I encounter people every day. Very few of them have expressed the opinions he mentioned. One tends to encounter these sorts of opinions on the Internet, rather than in “real life.” Possibly because there’s an anonymity in the Internet which makes people bolder, and sometimes brings out the worst in people.

I bet the OP will ultimately succeed in romance.


Every time I read one of your posts it makes me want to move to NYC. But there's no way I can afford to live there.

Still doubt that last part though.



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19 Dec 2020, 10:23 pm

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It's because 99% of people these days are extremely stupid. And I just can't tolerate stupidity.

There are just so many idiots across all walks of life and all ends of the political spectrum, ranging from woke SJWs to white supremicists, and from Christians and Muslims who take their religions too seriously to New Age neo-pagan nonsense.

At work today, my coworker was reading a series of texts from her ex claiming that Covid-19 is fake and is just a conspiracy from the government to force people to take vaccines. And as I was driving home, I drove past people with placards saying "forced vaccines are unconstitutional."

I remember one day when I was sitting in a waiting room to see my therapist, and the people sitting next to me started talking about how Donald Trump was appointed by God and that if Hillary Clinton had won the election the US would be a communist country by now. I remember feeling genuinely shocked that actual human beings can be this f*cking stupid!

Last year I was riding with my boss when he went on a tirade about how we should just nuke Iran and Iraq and kill all the Muslims and give their land to the Liberals or the Indians to get them out of our hair.

Here are some examples of the idiotic beliefs many people continue to hold despite all evidence to the contrary:

The Earth is flat.
The Earth is only 6,000 years old.
God specifically created humans of European descent to be superior to the rest of the human species.
Vaccines cause autism.
Evolution is fake.
Essential oils can prevent/cure cancer.
God deliberately created boys with foreskins just so he can tell us to cut them off.
Climate change is fake.
Biological sexes don't exist.
Islam supports gender equality.
Criticism of Islam is racist.
Only white people can be racist.
The Holocaust is fake.
The United States was founded on Judeo-Christian values.
Donald Trump was appointed to be the President of the United States by God himself.
Donald Trump is the true winner of the 2020 presidential election.
The moon landing never happened.
Christians are a prosecuted minority in the United States.
Immigrants are stealing jobs from "real" Americans.
There's a war on Christmas.
America used to be "great", but isn't anymore because of immigrants/Muslims/Atheists/LGBTQ/feminists/liberals/etc.
Kids are being forced to pray Islamic prayers in schools.
The solution to mass shootings is more guns.

Everywhere I go, whether it be online or in person, I find myself surrounded by F*cking morons.

I remember a day a few years ago, when I was substitute teaching in a middle school classroom. The lesson was about the planet Earth. And I overheard a student saying that she doesn't know whether or not to believe if the Earth is round or flat. Of course I don't blame a child for this, but rather I blame all idiotic adults who spread this hogwash.

Is it really any surprise that its so hard for me to find anybody I actually want to be around when so much of the human race is this idiotic?!



Well Dorkseid, You sound like an equal opportunity hater at least, I agree with you on many of the points. One thing I cannot stand is people spreading misinformation when they know better or denying something that is a scientifically proven fact, for example, denying smoking causes cancer and other health problems.

Don't even get me going about anti-vaxers. My thing is, I want to get along with people, I really do but I find many just to be such twits, tools, or lazy, which explains why other then outside of my immediate family, I'm all alone and don't have any friends to speak of.

For me, it's either people really like me or they want to arrange to have me shot.


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19 Dec 2020, 10:47 pm

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Well Dorkseid, You sound like an equal opportunity hater at least, I agree with you on many of the points. One thing I cannot stand is people spreading misinformation when they know better or denying something that is a scientifically proven fact, for example, denying smoking causes cancer and other health problems.

Don't even get me going about anti-vaxers. My thing is, I want to get along with people, I really do but I find many just to be such twits, tools, or lazy, which explains why other then outside of my immediate family, I'm all alone and don't have any friends to speak of.

For me, it's either people really like me or they want to arrange to have me shot.


There's always that one idiot who likes to go on about how their uncle smoked his entire life and lived to his 90s. Because one anecdote is apparently all it takes to topple decades of medical research and makes you know better than every doctor on the planet. Am I right?



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19 Dec 2020, 10:51 pm

I've heard that one and yeah it's usually the biggest loud mouths who spout this stuff. The same people who watch cable news and the daily show, and believe it's the stone cold truth.


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19 Dec 2020, 11:57 pm

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naturalplastic wrote:
Its not your fault, but ...WOW!
Am not talking about religiosity. I am talking about cultural literacy.

Both your family, and your nation's education system massively failed you! Its not your fault.


I'm perfectly fine with people being that removed culturally. If I were lost in the Australian outback, I'd have to rely on people who navigate by singing. I'd also point out that when Sherlock Holmes learned that the Earth went around the Sun, he decided that since this did not seem relevant to his career, he would do his best to forget it.


No idea what relevance this has.

I was expressing more disbelief than disapproval. But yes I do have some disapproval as well.

Sherlock was designed by Doyle to be an eccentric character not to be emulated in total, nor even be emulatable in real life. The reader is not supposed to admire him for not knowing about heliocentrism. The fact you even use that an example shows how embarrassed you would be to not know something that basic- about the solar system.

I am not talking about learning to survive as aboriginie in the outback and knowing how find water from plant roots.

I am talking about being mainstream urban person in an English speaking country like New Zealand.

I did over emphasize the 4000 BC part. If your not a Fundy preacher, or Jewish, or a secular scholar of ancient history, then you dont really need to keep the possible dates of Genesis in your head. But really...everyone in the culturally christian world should be able to place the birth of Christ at "about 2000 years ago". And there have to be cultural landmarks that enable us all to converse.Just like if you are an American you should know about1492, and 1776.



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20 Dec 2020, 5:03 am

Thanks for making look and feel stupid for not knowing the answer to a question I'll probably never be asked.
I've never read a bible, I've never had a conversation about the year this Jesus character was born, or maybe it makes sense but I never really thought about it.

I'm pleased that you knew every single person in the western world... :roll: Here in the UK we're not so big on God or religion.

Note to self: Never post ANYTHING to do with religion otherwise this happens. :roll:


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20 Dec 2020, 6:34 am

I can see how a person could develop an aversion to learning about Jesus, but BC in a date means "Before Christ (according to Christians.)"
Russell Peters has a great comedy routine about pretending not to know where England is. My mother was a staunch AS atheist, but she kept copies of several holy books for comparison. When amateur theologians would come to the house to try to convert her, she'd tie them in knots logically, but they wouldn't even notice.
Apropos to this thread, I recall a Herman cartoon of a guy on a psychiatrist's couch shouting "I said, people just don't seem to like me! Open your ears, fathead!"



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20 Dec 2020, 8:41 am

I find this idea that everyone should possess basic knowledge of Western culture reeks of cultural imperialism.

How many Americans or Europeans know when Krishna or Zoroaster were born?

This is just ridiculous, people!



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20 Dec 2020, 8:55 am

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There's always that one idiot who likes to go on about how their uncle smoked his entire life and lived to his 90s. Because one anecdote is apparently all it takes to topple decades of medical research and makes you know better than every doctor on the planet. Am I right?


Humour on :
The plural of anecdote is AnecdoteS not Data
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20 Dec 2020, 8:56 am

dorkseid wrote:
I find this idea that everyone should possess basic knowledge of Western culture reeks of cultural imperialism.

How many Americans or Europeans know when Krishna or Zoroaster were born?

This is just ridiculous, people!


I am not asking Hindu Indians to know anything about Christ. That would "imperialism".

Am asking folks in my own culture to know their own culture. Nothing to do with "imperialism".

And besides: asking anyone of any culture to figure out that dates that end with "before Christ" are "before Christ" is not asking much.

I am not blaming Joe. I am blaming the education system over there. Citizens should know certain basic universal things about their country for example.

If you live in the UK you should know that the Queen Elizabeth who knighted Sir Francis Drake for saving England from the Spanish Armada was not the same Queen Elizabeth who knighted the Beatles.

Likewise an American should know certain basics about the US like what century the nation was founded.

Not knowing that Christ was born around the beginning of the "Christian Era" is like an American not knowing what year "Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue". Religion has nothing to do with it.



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20 Dec 2020, 9:01 am

Some people here need to remember that there are members from all different countries, cultures and backgrounds, so it is no acceptable to belittle someone just because they don't know something that you know. I wish I hadn't posted in this thread, now my social anxiety has risen just because I don't know a fact that apparently EVERYONE automatically knows because they had religious education in the womb or something. :roll:


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20 Dec 2020, 9:16 am

naturalplastic wrote:
dorkseid wrote:
I find this idea that everyone should possess basic knowledge of Western culture reeks of cultural imperialism.

How many Americans or Europeans know when Krishna or Zoroaster were born?

This is just ridiculous, people!


I am not asking Hindu Indians to know anything about Christ. That would "imperialism".

Am asking folks in my own culture to know their own culture. Nothing to do with "imperialism".

And besides: asking anyone of any culture to figure out that dates that end with "before Christ" are "before Christ" is not asking much.

I am not blaming Joe. I am blaming the education system over there. Citizens should know certain basic universal things about their country for example.

If you live in the UK you should know that the Queen Elizabeth who knighted Sir Francis Drake for saving England from the Spanish Armada was not the same Queen Elizabeth who knighted the Beatles.

Likewise an American should know certain basics about the US like what century the nation was founded.

Not knowing that Christ was born around the beginning of the "Christian Era" is like an American not knowing what year "Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue". Religion has nothing to do with it.


No, you are either a know-it-all or you have an interest in history. I don't know jack about history. In the US children learn a lot more about their country and its history at school than UK children. I never knew BC standed for Before Christ. I suppose I'm going to be belittled for that now too. Get it over with, criticise me and my family and my school system for not knowing such an important fact. Or just call me an idiot.


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20 Dec 2020, 9:47 am

Well..I guess that I am more history minded than the average person. And I suppose that this is an education for me myself about how education itself works in another English speaking country that I would have assumed was more similar to my own country than it may really be.

But still...

Why react that way?

If I were in your shoes I would say "OOhhhh thats what BC stands for". By golly with that new knowledge I can now sally forth and converse with anyone, secular, or religious, and hold my own!"

Why make it negative? :)



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20 Dec 2020, 12:37 pm

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Well..I guess that I am more history minded than the average person. And I suppose that this is an education for me myself about how education itself works in another English speaking country that I would have assumed was more similar to my own country than it may really be.

But still...

Why react that way?

If I were in your shoes I would say "OOhhhh thats what BC stands for". By golly with that new knowledge I can now sally forth and converse with anyone, secular, or religious, and hold my own!"

Why make it negative? :)


Sorry, I did overreact. I thought there was something wrong with me and being the only one who doesn't know these things. When I typed in Google "how long ago was Jesus born?" it said different answers, some that didn't match what you said, and it didn't just say one single answer. Obviously I know that Christ was born on 25th December but how long ago was never something I really thought about, even though I know about the Nativity.
But here in the UK people don't really talk about this sort of thing.


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